The Marriage of Obama's Parents: 'In Name Only'?

American Thinker ^ | March 8, 2014 | Shawn Glasco

[Flotsam_Jetsome]

So when did Ann's and Obama Sr.'s "whatever happened happened fast" wedding happen? For no apparent reason, confusion abounds among Obama's biographers over the wedding date:

1. Dreams claims that Ann and Obama Sr. were in married "in 1960"; similarly, Mendell's 2007 book claims that the couple were married "sometime in late 1960" when they "slipped off alone to the island of Maui"; and both Obamaland (2008) by Ron Jacobs (with contributor David Maraniss) and a 2007 Washington Post article claim that the two were married "late in 1960."

2. A 2007 Chicago Tribune article vaguely claims that Ann and Obama Sr. were married "six months before" Barack's birth on Aug 4, 1961 -- or, in other words, sometime in early 1961.

3. An April 2008 Time article by Amanda Ripley, as does Maraniss's August 2008 article, gives a specific date of February 2, 1961 for the wedding, apparently based on Ann's and Obama Sr.'s 1964 divorce records – mysteriously appearing on the web. But since fake documents have been known to appear on the web, Obama's biographers, Ripley and Maraniss, might want to verify the 1964 divorce documents – especially since a Feb. 2, 1961 marriage date for "Ann and Obama Sr." wasn't reported in any Honolulu Advertiser or Honolulu Star-Bulletin marriage lists from February 1961. Take the February 8, 1961 Star-Bulletin, which listed eighteen marriages from Feb. 3, Feb. 4, and Feb. 6, and no Feb. 2 marriages, and the February 7, 1961 Advertiser, which listed eleven marriages from Feb. 2 to 4, including two Feb. 2 marriages.

[GregNH]

So, both his parents were citizens, thus he would be eligible to be President.

So presenting fraudulent documents is not a disqualifier?

[Brown Deer]

one more time...

Shirley Jean Applebee Clouser Dunham (4 November 1941 - 16 Jan 1975)
   Birthplace: Tomasket, Okanogan Co., WA
   Social Security Number: 539-38-1493   
   Death Place: Sacramento, California
daughter of Stella Sarah Gordon (Aug 10, 1910 - Jun 29, 1991)
        and Clifford L. Applebee (Apr 6, 1913 - Jun 11, 1993) 
married Feb 17, 1961 in Los Angeles Co., CA to Charles Robert Clouser (b: Feb 13, 1942)
married to Kenneth Dunham, Jr. (Jun 3, 1944 - Mar 27, 2010)
           son of Emma Dixie Lambert (Mar 17, 1921 - Jan 16, 1995)
              and Kenneth Lee Dunham (Sep 20, 1920 - Sep 7, 1990) 
and had son Kevin W. Dunham born Jul 17, 1972 in Sacramento

[Brown Deer]

I figured you would get that one up sooner or later.

[Fred Nerks]

I'm just throwing it out there. If the OBAMA vs OBAMA divorce was between ANN OBAMA & BARACK OBAMA that's a good reason for the marriage licence to have been removed from the file. And any birth certificate supplied as ID for the child would have shown the name of the mother.

Just how much 'adjustment' would have been required to those divorce docs to make it seem the parties to the divorce were the kenyan and Stanley Ann Dunham?

If there's been hanky-panky with the documents, which are like everything else we've seen, scans shown on the www...the date really isn't all that material. ANN OBAMA could have been the one to start the proceedings in January 1964. She could simply have been the girl he wrote home about to whom he said he was married, and later, that he had a son. The girl the clan remembered in 2004 as being named ANNA TOOT, which was quite likely a phonetic recollection of 'tutu' which I have read in a number of instances is used in polynesian culture as older sister, or auntie.

I'm bringing it up just as a possibility. Just what documents do you trust?

[Vermont Lt]

It IS for me. But I am not the one who needs convincing.

If you prove that he is a liar and his mom was...ah, loose...all you will do is prove their point.

The intent was to prove that he was not eligible.

[chicken head]

I believe your right fred.. i also believe alot of the documents are forged to lead everyone to stanley ann dunham. there has to be someone else. i know everyone thinks SAD birth certificate is legit, but i call it BS.. when virginia goeldner said ann died in 1970’s i believe that,- thats something a woman would not forget..it has to be someone close to madelyn, because of her and zero’s relationship. i’m gonna say another daughter a year younger than SAD.. probally the FMD one.. its just a theory, but it makes sense.. in 07 and 08 his mother was called shirley, not stanley.. i just dont see everyone getting that name so wrong..

[Fred Nerks]

... I thought it likely that the divorce was so that SAD could gain legal custody of the child. So those divorce papers could have been an earlier date, and a different woman...

The same would have applied if the divorce shown in the records was OBAMA vs OBAMA - on the same dates as the document, and one of the names had been changed.

If the name of one of the parties had been changed from ANN D ....(someone) to Stanley Ann D Obama, it would look like she had custody. Just let it hang there for a while, it's not going to be something that can be answered in a few minutes. It's just a possibility.

[chicken head]

thanks

[Fred Nerks]

...I figured you would get that one up sooner or later.

It's the similarities between the signatures of the mother and daughter that intruiges me. Can one put this down to how people were taught to write in cursive at the time both attended school?

[Fred Nerks]

handwriting from a page we are told was her journal.

[little jeremiah]

Hmm, interesting. The people who got the child as a baby and were controlling his life could have done any number of criminal document messing around, we know they did a lot of it. So the divorce papers could also be more “adjusted” than I had thought. The missing page - marriage certificate? Birth certificate? or both? - could be very revealing.

[Fred Nerks]

My guess would be that the archives show OBAMA vs OBAMA, but the File will be empty. I could be wrong.

[Fred Nerks]

...The missing page - marriage certificate? Birth certificate? or both? - could be very revealing.

The kenyan entered the name of his wife on the INS docs, then crossed it out and replaced it with Stanley Ann Dunham, remember?

He also told the INS that he was separated from his wife and they may get a divorce. It's quite possible that wife divorced him in 1964, and the son she had was born in January 1961.

Thus, it would have been essential to remove any marriage certificate and birth certificate from the File. It's just a theory. It fits with all that Ann D we find all over the place. To which it would have been so easy to add 'Stanley' and 'unham'.

[Fred Nerks]

If you add Stanley to Ann D and then add unham Obama, you also get 'Obama, Stanley Ann Dunham' on the so-called transcript from the U of WA, and the letter from the U of HI which states 'Stanley Ann Dunham' enrolled from the Fall of 1960. It gives you the Ann S Obama from the Polk directory in 1961, and of course the Stanley Ann who attended high school at Mercer Island... Furthermore it might also throw some light on the Miss Dun (or Dan)...whose name was truncated on the 'adoption memo' which was dated April 1961. We might just be looking at the mother and child he wrote home about and her name was Ann S with a surname that commenced with D...

Maybe if we stare at it long enough, someone will have an epiphany.

[Fred Nerks]

http://htmlimg3.scribdassets.com/52d3a0f0w0xubz8/images/35-48cb875c12.jpg

He changed his mind about the name of his wife on 31st August, 1961?

[Brown Deer]

i know everyone thinks SAD birth certificate is legit, but i call it BS..

Yep, the Syracuse Journal was in on it 70 years ago. ;-)

i’m gonna say another daughter a year younger than SAD..

That's a good trick.

.. in 07 and 08 his mother was called shirley, not stanley..

How so? She was already dead long before that.

[Fred Nerks]

Once a chicken gets a name into it’s head, that’s the end of it.

Mark, on the other hand, calls her Sally:

http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2014/02/28/obama-mystery-theater-mark-ndesandjo-speaks/comment-page-1/

[RedHeeler]

Well, you folks have been great at instructing, about this fallen one. So what?

[chicken head]

my question in post 932 was—does it look like the last 4 digits have been tampered with to you? — thats all i asked you— does it?

i dont think SAD birth cert. is legit.. as a matter of fact i dont think most of the docs found are legit- i think they are all BS. If he will post a fake BC to the whole dam country, what makes you think the others are legit? why stop at the LFBC. everything is fake and leads you no where- when you see SAD name added to his LFBC, the dude could be anybody. its that simple

i meant to say older - but its all theory anyway..i just went back to 07 and 08, and news papers in hawaii and all over the country called her shirley, even the genealogy sites..how does the whole country mess that up?-

[little jeremiah]

That was always a screaming blue/red siren to me. NO ONE forgets the name of his wife. I’m surprised “they” let that piece of paper out un-redacted.