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1 posted on 02/18/2014 5:28:05 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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I think they can be compatible by realizing two distinct concepts. 1. There is an almighty God who created and ruled the Universe and everything in it, a God whose only begotten Son we rely on for salvation from the evil we do, an awesome God with control over everything around us. 2. That God is not you.


2 posted on 02/18/2014 5:33:03 PM PST by freedom462
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Libertarians? Bah! Should Christians shoot up drugs and allow men having sex with men (or goats for that matter) to marry?

Groovy; however, I don't believe the church has sunk that low.

3 posted on 02/18/2014 5:33:08 PM PST by Stepan12
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Sodom and Gomorrah was full of libertarians and liberals, but evidently few social conservatives.


4 posted on 02/18/2014 5:34:16 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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However the majority of libertarians support legal access to abortion and the Libertarian Platform doesn’t disagree, not something that fits with Christianity IMHO.


7 posted on 02/18/2014 5:37:04 PM PST by doc1019
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Walter Bloch sez that the virtue of Libertarianism is its great diversity. "Only Libertarianism can combine family men with Libertarians for weather. Also, with the homosexual motorcycle gang and the acid dropper concerned with the price of silver."

These Libertarians are crazies with a smattering of Ayn Rand's ideas. After 30 years and god knows how many dollars spent they managed to get about two three people elected to office. Support for child molestation and Arab terrorism figure prominently in their movement.

8 posted on 02/18/2014 5:38:22 PM PST by Stepan12
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Christianity is the process of growing to know and experience God through His Son, Jesus Christ. In order to surrender within to the process you must first be an empty vessel as otherwise if you are full of yourself you have no room for God.

However, in order to be full of yourself, you must be free and out of attachment or dependency upon others or a government. If your will is not yours, you do not have the authority over it necessary to surrender it and grow.

Thus Libertarians are seeking the freedom of choice that is necessary to choose God. That “freedom of will” also allows individuals to choose other paths that do not lead toward the same destination.


10 posted on 02/18/2014 5:40:15 PM PST by tired&retired
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We have to decide if we support abortion and and gay marriage, and homosexualizing the military, etc., if we don’t, we vote to maintain a conservative America, if we do, then we vote to end conservative America.

This is just another approach to fight conservatism, with an altered vocabulary.

“I’m not liberal, I’m libertarian”, “I don’t support abortion, I just don’t care”, so “I will vote for the pro-abortion guy over the anti-abortion guy”.


11 posted on 02/18/2014 5:42:39 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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I don’t think so. http://www.faithfacts.org/blog/libertarianism-christianity


16 posted on 02/18/2014 5:56:16 PM PST by grumpa
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A government has a “Justice System” which enshrines Objective Truth—in the US Constitution, we acknowledge God-Given Individual Rights. Justice is a Virtue only——the Queen of Virtue, and as such, there is ONE ethical system built into our idea of “Just Law” which HAS to promote Virtue ONLY (if there is a law at all).

Now, all “evil” law is Null and Void. IOW, laws which promote Vice/evil/dysfunction, etc. are unconstitutional. The Classical understanding of Law (which is ours) is based on Natural Moral law and the teleological ends of human beings-—what makes them “flourish and free and exceptional” and God’s Laws (the Designer of Nature) which makes the Decalogue relevant and in our courts.

Laws need to promote the Natural Duty of people in keeping Social contracts which encourage them to be “virtuous” and do their duty to society-—which includes the marriage of the two people who produce offspring. It is the Natural Duty of people to care for their own offspring until adulthood.

Libertarians have to have some type of organization with a “Rule of Law” which always means a “Higher” Law, than man-made up “rules” which are irrational or give special rights to some over others.

There can be no promotion of sodomy in “Just” laws-—or an undermining of the Natural Rights of children to be raised by their biological parents. It makes children into slaves to be bought or sold and women into breeders if the Marriage Contract is not between a male and female (and it is irrational if it is “two” men).

Right Reason is ALWAYS necessary for all “Just” Law. Libertarians should at least believe in Reason which requires a belief in Natural Law Theory (where Science originated).


20 posted on 02/18/2014 6:06:19 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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What the article does is describe everyday, ordinary, conservatism and pretends that it is libertarianism, totally avoiding what is so vile and disgusting about the anti-God leftism of libertarianism.


22 posted on 02/18/2014 6:08:24 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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"Christians actually ought to feel outraged that the redemptive power of charity has been taken from us and given to an unfeeling, coercive state," Leah Stiles Hughey declared at a Saturday panel at The International Students for Liberty Conference. She claimed that when government gets involved in giving to the poor it denies the God-given human dignity of both giver and receiver.

Amen. Amen, AMEN.

32 posted on 02/18/2014 7:36:01 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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FYI, A Catholic Showdown Worth Watching
33 posted on 02/18/2014 7:39:03 PM PST by cornelis
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Christianity: Slavery to Jesus

Libertarianism: Slavery to Self (Sin)

Socialism: Slavery to State

Christianity: Love is the law of liberty

Libertarianism: Consent is the law of liberty

Socialism: The will of the State is the law.

45 posted on 02/19/2014 3:42:25 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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Jason Hughey agreed, citing specific scriptures to argue for a smaller role of government. Hughey pointed to 1 Samuel 8, where the people of Israel asked Samuel for a king. When Samuel went to God, "the Lord was not happy with this – the people of Israel were turning their back on him," Hughey explained. God granted Israel's wish, but warned that their king would conscript their sons, take away their daughters, and tax the people. Hughey ended the reading with the line "and you will be his slaves"....

....Leah Hughey also argued that scripture does not proclaim wealth as inherently sinful. She addressed a certain reading of Matthew 19:24 — "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God." "In scripture Jesus has several interactions with wealthy people, but some of them he didn't encourage to sell everything," Hughey argued. She explained that Jesus' warnings are focused on the "heart issue" of whether someone "puts possessions over Christ," and not a mere attack on the rich.

Scripture is only cited twice in the whole article. In both cases IMO it is cited correctly. And then you get overarching nonsense like this:

Hughey's husband Jason explained that "the Bible is not a book of political theory." Nevertheless, "there are themes we get from the Bible that give a good foundation for Christians to embrace libertarianism or even anarchy," Jason Hughey said.

47 posted on 02/19/2014 5:37:14 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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