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1 posted on 06/17/2013 7:18:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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I think the large majority of Americans can use marijuana and guns responsibly.

And the 2013 Joe Biden Award for Outstanding Achievements in the field of Incredible Public Statements goes to....


2 posted on 06/17/2013 7:22:08 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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I am trending toward libertarian because I believe we can never shake the liberal control of government at all levels. It seems government just naturally fills itself with liberals.

Oddly enough, to me, the best way for a conservative society is to leave people alone, because people are naturally conservative.


3 posted on 06/17/2013 7:23:01 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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I agree with libertarians on the idea of leaving other people alone, but what they don’t get is that there is a set of people who have no qualms about the reverse.


6 posted on 06/17/2013 7:28:54 AM PDT by Hacksaw (I haven't taken the 30 silvers.)
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While there remain many worthy instances, I am tired of holding a gun to my neighbors head.

Your toilet tank is too big. We need another turtle tunnel. Solar power requires investment. Chinese prostitutes need training. These barbarians need help against those heathens. You shouldn't smoke a joint on your couch. The Grand Canyon is showing signs of erosion. We have to spend money to keep from going bankrupt. Shrimp on treadmills. Etc ad nauseum.

Republicans want bigger government. Democrats want the same.

I'm tired of holding a gun to my neighbor's head.

7 posted on 06/17/2013 7:33:12 AM PDT by laotzu
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Too bad we are not trending libertarian on issues such as the size of government, fiscal policy, spending, taxation, and following the US Constitution.

BTW-— I am NOT a libertarian. I am a Constitutionalist. I believe the federal government should limit its activities to those outlined in the Constitution. If we did that we wouldn’t be bankrupt.


8 posted on 06/17/2013 7:52:38 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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Maybe somebody could 'splain this to me.

As I understand it, a libertarian would say that a child has a right to the support of his natural father and mother, because they are the ones responsible for his existence--- right? They understand that children normally, and by right, derive their personal identity, their place in a kinship system, and their support and upbringing from their parents, unless something goes seriously amiss.

Another way of saying it is that libertarians would understand that normal parental obligation is not a violation of liberty, but an obligation arising from the parents' own actions.

If this is the case, how can they justify same-sex marriage, which is the foundation of a "family unit" in which any child would deliberately --- with intent and forethought --- be deprived of either his natural mother, or his natural father, or both?

Does this make sense?


Let me go just one step further and explain why this is not like, say, normal adoption.

In normal adoption, there's a problematic situation, a de-facto existing circumstance which everyone recognizes as unfortunate or tragic. A child has lost his parents through death or abandonment, or was placed for adoption because his parents are unwilling or unable to care for him. There is a recognized hurt (that's why a child being "orphaned" is regarded as a real loss.)

And it is a hurt, a loss, that was not produced, or willed, by the adoptive parents. They didn't kill or drive away or intentionally alienate his natural parents. They simply stepped into an already-existing sad situation to supply the child's needs: his need for a mom and a dad.

The gay family-building project is entirely different. It is predicated (most often) on bringing a child into existence intentionally cut off from one of both of his natural parents --- either by vendor insemination, or IVF, surrogate (reproductive concubine), or some other artificial reproduction technology. AND/OR, the child is being brought into a household where he will never, and CAN never, have his need met for a mom and a dad.

This is an intended brokenness. This is not an adaptive response to meet a child's need: the child's loss of one or both natural parents is a feature of the system.

Does anybody see that? From the point of view of a child who needs, and has a right to, a mother and a father, how can this be right?

9 posted on 06/17/2013 7:58:03 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (asdfgh)
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This Is A Normal Brain This Is A Brain On Dope


19 posted on 06/17/2013 8:36:21 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama-Ville - Land of The Free Stuff, Home of the Enslaved)
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I hope not. Nihilistic Libertarians are so darned hard to be around. They’re not allies. They’re aliens.


21 posted on 06/17/2013 8:57:58 AM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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No, America is trending on libertine and freedom without responsibility.


82 posted on 06/18/2013 11:40:52 AM PDT by Truthsearcher
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"Are Americans becoming more libertarian on cultural issues?"--"Is this libertarian trend a good thing for the nation? Your answer will depend on your values."

Interestingly we evidently don't have any libertarians here at freerepublic, everyone here wants to stop gay marriage.

101 posted on 06/18/2013 2:24:25 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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