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To: FredZarguna

Many of the things you’ve posted here are incorrect, including the very broad claim that this experiment has some implications specific to LENR. It doesn’t. I’m sorry that you don’t understand why it doesn’t,
***According to YE Kim, you’re completely wrong. Your physics knowledge does not stack up and your critical thinking is lacking. You choose to tangle with someone who’s pedestrian rather than someone who knows physics as much as you claim to, and you just lost to this pedestrian. Your claim to such knowledge is disproven; you are an impostor, as I said earlier.

See YE Kim’s email below.

Kim, Yeong E

5:24 PM (12 minutes ago)

to me, ayandas, pkb

Hi, Kevin,

Yes, the formation of a BEC of deuterons (or other Bose nuclei) makes my theory more viable.

The claim, made by some that BECs could not form at room temperatures, was based on an inconclusive conjecture

which assumes that the Maxwell-Boltzmann (MB ) velocity distribution applies for deuterons in a metal.

This conjecture was not based on any theories nor on any experimentally observed facts.

The MB velocity distribution is for an ideal gas containing non-interacting particles.

There are no justifications to assume the MB velocity distribution for deuterons in a metal.

The published paper by Dasa, et al. quoted below indicates that the conjecture is not justified.

I have stated at seminars and conferences (in the proceedings) that

“The BEC formation of deuterons in metal at room temperatures depends on the velocity distribution

of deuterons in metal at room temperatures. The velocity distribution of deuterons in metal has not

determined by theories nor by experiments and is not expected to be the MB distribution”

The published paper by Dasa, et al. supports the above statement.

Yeong

keSent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:22 PM
To: Kim, Yeong E
Cc: ayandas@umich.edu; pkb@umich.edu
Subject: Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature


71 posted on 02/08/2013 5:50:57 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: dangerdoc; citizen; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; glock rocks; free_life; ..

In a personal email to me, YE Kim verifies that this development gives his theory a leg up.


75 posted on 02/08/2013 6:11:31 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo
The published paper by Dasa, et al. quoted below indicates that the conjecture is not justified.

It's funny how Dr. Kim misspells Ayan Das's name. It's the same mispelling you used in post #12 due to your pedestrian copy, paste, and formatting skills. He doesn't mention polaritons either, which is what the paper is about.

76 posted on 02/08/2013 7:21:59 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
Yes, the formation of a BEC of deuterons (or other Bose nuclei) makes my theory more viable.

Polaritons are not deuterons, and they are not Bose nuclei. They are quasiparticles.

79 posted on 02/08/2013 7:49:04 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
Yes, the formation of a BEC of deuterons (or other Bose nuclei) makes my theory more viable.

Here's a link to a publication by Dr. Kim where he relates his non viable theory to con artist Rossi and his Ecat. That destroys his credibilty. No wonder a Rossi fanbois like you was able to reach him by email.

83 posted on 02/08/2013 8:22:22 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
Wow. I'm impressed. More irrelevant mumbo-jumbo from Kevmo. Maybe you should ask JRob if you can change your screen name to "Kumbo," so that it all rhymes.

"Yes, the formation of a BEC of deuterons (or other Bose nuclei) makes my theory more viable."

Maybe it would, but sadly,that is not what this paper does. The paper does not claim room temperature BEC of deuterons; it claims a room temperature BEC of quasi-particles. Polaritons are not involved in nuclear fusion, they are not deuterons, they are not nucleons, they are not Bose nuclei. So, as I have said, this result is inapplicable.

If the BECNF theory is actually valid, this phenomenon should be seen all the more clearly at low temperature, where the formation of a deuteron BEC is not controversial; then arguments about whether deuteron BEC can be formed at ~300K don't enter the question, and arguments about whether the applicability of the formation of a polariton trap has any implications for the statistical mechanics of deuterons doesn't matter.

Unfortunately for the BECNF theory, I'm not aware of any low temperature results which show any signs of BECNF.

You can cite all of Kim's self referencing papers you like. But ask him to send me an experimental result where someone has seen an enhanced cross section at low temperature. Until then...

Similarly, BECNF predicts that high-pressure should increase the cross section. Again, unfortunately, there is no experimental evidence of this (and indeed there are negative experimental results, which are even cited in the Kim paper.)

The fundamental problem with BECNF (apart from the fact that at temperatures where we expect to see significant numbers of deuterons condensing, we have no experimental evidence of increased fusion reaction cross section) is that hidden in its bowels it still depends on the optical theorem formulation of LENR. This is a hand-waving argument in which the Coulomb potential more or less magically disappears. Conveniently so, since electromagnetic repulsion is the principle reason nobody believes LENR occurs in the first place.

84 posted on 02/08/2013 9:35:23 PM PST by FredZarguna (I ride around nights mostly...subways, buses...If I'm gonna do that I might as well get paid for it.)
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