Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
The way I look at these crowns or rewards we might earn is this....
...Our eternal pleasure and goal is worship. If you have ever experience even a moment of the great, overpowering love that comes in that second when you realize that everything you have ever done, or everything you are or ever will be is because of Him, and you absolutely want nothing more than His pleasure, then you might understand the feeling of eternal bliss that will come with eternal worship in His Kingdom.
And what can we offer him as worship, but our crowns. It will not increase HIS pleasure, it will increase ours in our ability to offer our “crowns” our own rewards we receive to Him in adulation. This is our reward, to increase His glory. That and that alone. Isn’t it enough?
5 crowns
Crown of Righteousness 2 Tim. 4:8 To all who have kept the faith and longed and loved for His return
Crown of Rejoicing 1Thes. 2:19 To all who have helped bring others to Christ
Crown of Life James 1:12 To all who endure temptation & are faithful through trials and to those that love Him
Crown of glory 1 Peter 5:1-4 To all that serve and shepherd God’s people
The imperishable or eternal crown 1 Cor. 9:25 To those who have had self-control in all things and subdued the old sinful nature.
Now these are not crowns that we will wear and parade around in. These crowns are going to be cast down at Jesus’ feet, to the one that is worthy to be praised. He is the one that made all these things possible. Rev 4:9-11.
We fall down
We lay our crowns
At the feet of Jesus
The greatness of mercy and love
At the feet of Jesus
We cry holy, holy, holy
We cry holy, holy, holy
We cry holy, holy, holy
Is the lamb
Excellent, CC.
Starting from Post #4588
Kevmo:
What? Here we are preaching something antithetical to the jewish faith, and we’re good?
SF:
Yup. Why is this such a hard concept for you to understand?
Kevmo:
It’s the first I’ve heard of it.
SF:
Hrm. That sounds dishonest.
***I would be willing to suggest that none of the christian freepers had heard that preaching something antithetical to the jewish faith would make someone good in the jewish faith. It is you, once again, whose honesty is impugned here. And, you aint bein’ real. If you can’t be honest & real when it comes to issues with God, you’ve got serious spiritual problems.
Your JC took the seven or the whole 613 and turned them into one or two, doesn’t matter you are still righteous as long as you follow them. You get a share in the world to come automatically. Totally cool for you to believe in JC.
***Great to hear it. But Jesus says, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father but through Me.” So, as you say, it’s totally cool for us to believe in JC. Now you need to step up to the plate because unless you’re super-duper-spiritual, you cannot meet those 613. And if someone as puny spiritually as I am can detect such dishonesty on your part, there’s no way you’re super-duper-spiritual before God and you need a savior.
But what about Jews born Jews but become Christians? They still have their share — but they forfeit their super Jew awesome share because they broke the covenant with G-d.
***Every normal human breaks the covenant with G-d.
And G-d doesn’t like that very much, so he’ll just keep punishing all of us because of our low retention rate
....
So Jews we believe we all get this auto-upload to the afterlife. Therefore, saying you are worried about our souls means nothing to us. You’re talking Greek.
***It’s true, everyone gets an auto-upload to eternity. But whether you get to spend that eternity with God is a choice you make here. The standard for getting in on your own efforts is quite high: You break one of those laws, you don’t get in. But if you accept Jesus as Christ & God, He basically says the cost has been paid by His own blood, and you’re in.
And because we get this auto-upload, we don’t have to worry about the afterlife — it’s taken care of.
***No, it isn’t.
What we have to worry about is the stuff we do in THIS life. Death is not happy for us. Death is the end of G-d’s greatest gift. Life is way, way, way more important.
***Interesting stuff, but not pertinent.
Kevmo:
And the link you provided doesn’t really answer the question.
SF:
Yes it does. When you hack it all up, it isn’t going to make much sense. Read the whole.
***I showed you that I read that Messiah section, and I commented on it. There are some very severe critical thinking errors in the logic presented. When you look at the stuff with those errors removed, you’re absolutely right, it does not make sense. And it won’t make sense, because your position is in error.
The Mashiach is not G-d to us. He’ll be a mortal man. You’ll think he is the second coming of JC, we’ll know him as Mashiach. What does it matter?
***If Jesus is not God, and we’ve been worshipping Him as God, then we would have been committing blasphemy. How can this Messiah be the second coming of Jesus and NOT be God? Only God has the power to live a human life 2000 years ago and then come back so many years later.
It will be a great thing regardless.
***Yet, if you die before it happens your soul may be forfeit.
Kevmo:
I could provide you with links that require you to spend 8 hours reading, as well.
SF:
No thanks!
***Then don’t do it to me.
You need to understand that when you even attempt to convert an observant Jew without knowing a thing about Judaism, it is like you bringing a knife to a fight with a F-18.
***One of the weapons you lack in your quiver is honesty. I doubt an observant, dishonest jew can be converted, so I’m only willing to put in about as much effort as a knife-fighter versus an F18. There are others willing to put in more effort, so I’ll let them chime in all they want.
Get yourself educated — it doesn’t harm your faith.
***According to the links you have posted, I have already read most if not all of the Torah. I’m educated enough to have gotten you this far. It is not education that holds you back from spiritual life, it is a hard heart. So I’ll pray for you.
Again, we Jews do not recruit outside of our faith.
***My understanding is that the jews were called to be a light unto the gentiles and they have neglected this duty. You make it sound like it’s a good thing.
We’re perfectly happy with you all being Christians or Mormons or Catholics or Baptists or Seventh Day Adventists.
***I do not think you understand your own scriptures when you say such a thing.
Pascal’s wager would say...
There isn’t any logic — you either believe the Torah is the Word of G-d, or you don’t.
***That is using logic. So, you like logic if it says what you want it to say, but you turn around and say there isn’t any logic (or basically that you don’t like logic) when it generates what you don’t want it to say.
What ends indeed CC. The only logical conclusion from some here would be censorship of religious speech - and we can see how well that has worked in american society. Not on JR's watch
I’m starting to think that many of you belong to some new movement
***That movement is called Conservatism. This is a conservative website, not a republican website. Are you conservative? Then why would you come onto a conservative website and try to separate conservatives from their conservative principles? Such a thing is not conservative.
Romney is more like a Quisling or Benedict Arnold, pretending to be what he isn’t: a conservative.
When Stalin & Hitler were at war, no matter who won — the civilians lost.
No matter who wins in this upcoming elction, conservatism loses.
I have not missed a national election since 1960 but I am going to sit this one out.
***There are conservatives in the down ticket races. You can write in a conservative. For instance, Tom Hoefling, who is a Freeper (Eternal Vigilance). Or you can vote straight republican ticket with a republican conservative write-in at the top — how can they fault you when you voted straight republican?
It makes me wonder how we’ll react to such a pecking order.
***See how you call it a ‘pecking order’, similar to how birds peck eachother, etc.? That’s the worldly way of looking at it. We will be much more inclined towards a spiritually healthy way of looking at things in the next life, and God will give us bodies that don’t decay & are inclined towards heaven. So... how will we look at it with this new inclination? We’ll be excited for others at what they accomplished for God, saying attaboy & cheering them on as they throw their crowns at God’s feet.
That verse sounds like this to me: “Well done, good and faithful servant, but don’t get too comfortable here because we have ANOTHER round of judgments coming up.”
***There’s only 2 judgements as far as I can tell. The first one deciding whether you’re in or out, whether we’re a sheep or a goat. And the second one, looking at what we did here and parceling out rewards.
I truly hope I’m reading into it things that aren’t there,
***I think you are but I’m no expert. This is one of those sandboxes where religious folks like to play in. I don’t put much stock in religiosity — we have a simple faith and God encourages childlike, straightforward, innocent faith in Him. “Let not your heart be troubled. Believe in God. Believe also in Me.”
b/c it sounds we can’t relax for a microsecond, even in the millennial kingdom due to yet another series of judgments coming down on us.
***Maybe this is God’s way of spurring you on to earn a few crowns in heaven, who knows?
Basically it seems like until we make it into the New Heaven and New Earth, we could still not make the cut.
***You will make the cut. Nothing can separate you from the love of Christ.
You really don’t get it. Thomas Jefferson had no problem with anyone practicing or expressing their own personal religious or even their non-religious beliefs, but Jefferson also did not believe in any sort of religious litmus test for holding public office
***Americans are free to have their own religious litmus test for candidates who ask for their votes.
or that it had any place in political discourse
***Jefferson’s quote talks about argumentation about religion — that is part of the whole process of political discourse
I ask you what exactly is “OUR” and JR’s “official” religion on FR?
***Interesting question. It’s also off topic for this thread and should be moved to the religion forum and addressed to the religion moderator.
Can politically conservative Catholics, Mormons, Buddhists, Hindus, Agnostic or Atheists
***Recently I was involved with a parallel discussion about those who worship science, who believe in scientism. 4 years ago the religion moderator allowed a scientism tag acknowledging it as a religion on FR. Then a few days ago, the religion mod changed her policy and now scientism is not a tag on the forum.
like me have a place here if we don’t attend and subscribe to your and JR’s church? Have we no voice?
***You have your voice and your ecumenical tag on the religion forum. That’s what you want, isn’t it?
Finally, if R&R win Ryan becomes the most likely candidate in 2020.
***So the soonest we can get a conservative POTUS with your plan is 2020, after 8 years of RomneyRule. If Romnuts loses, we could have a conservative as POTUS in 2016. No matter who wins this next election, conservatism loses.
Sounds good to me.
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Allow me to provide a quote or two from the original Hubris artist himself, Joseph Smith, re: where Mormons get that from...
Now...I don't have to go to some deep and dark obscure archive to find it. The Mormon church thought it was so important it to include it in their "best of" Joseph Smith quotes, it got inclusion in the 2007 book, Teachings of Presidents: Joseph Smith.
THERE IS A SUPER INTELLIGENCE bestowed upon such as obey the [Mormon version of the] Gospel with full purpose of heart, which, if sinned against, the apostate is left naked and destitute of the Spirit of God, and he is, in truth, nigh unto cursing, and his end is to be burned. (p. 321)
So there ya have it, Joseph Smith spouting off about Mormon "super intelligence" that if such a Mormon is sinned against, why an "apostate" must have done it, and God's Spirit will be withdrawn from such a person who will be cursed -- and burned -- in hell no doubt.
(Earlier in that same book (p. 219), Smith is going on and on how revelations to him are "records from the eternal world"...and then concludes that a given vision is "so much beyond the narrow-mindedness of men, that every HONEST man is constrained to exclaim, 'It came from God.'" ... Well, of course that means that if you happen to disagree with Joseph Smith, then Smith and the Mormon leadership presumes our very DIShonesty)
Elitims to its core...No wonder Elsie posts that "I'm superior" list by Mormons.
Here is a nice Christian site that explains the differences:
http://www.biblewheel.com/canon/ChristianOT_vs_Tanakh.asp
***The differences pointed out at that website seem to be only in the ORDER the books appear. Yet another example of your dishonesty and not being real about this stuff.
No wonder Elsie posts that “I’m superior” list by Mormons.
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Maybe Greyfoxx will post that graphic of the cute cat thats “betterthanyouness”
:)
For MONTHS now, I've said that so many FREEPERs have embraced pragmatic utilitarian political relavistic ethics that they would vote for a reincarnated Hitler in order to beat THE Democratic "anti-Christ."
And now we have a poster who comes along and indicates, "Yup, I'd vote for the 'evil' man to beat 'Satan.'"
Romney is no reincarnated Hitler, but his Massachusetts machinations are STILL paying for the slaughter of pre-born in MA...where in SOME cases, the former $50 abortions are now "free" (at taxpayers' expense)...thereby drawing in the entire populace to footing the slaughter. RomneyCare Now Funding FREE Abortions: A Disqualifier for Mitt Romney’s Candidacy [Enabler Mitt]
This pragmatic utilitarian political relativism is so open-ended for embracing the supposed "lesser" of 2 evils, that...
...(a) It has no boundary once embraced...these people will tell you to vote for a reincarnated Hitler...or, if Obama loses in 2012, and then converts to a RINO and re-runs in 2020, they'll tell you to vote for Obama 'cause the Dems ALWAYS run somebody to the left of the (R) guy!
...(b) Their children and grandchildren will take up this "ethic" and run with it...and there goes any remnant residue of conservatism.
Their children and grandchildren will chase the "evil one" as their "political savior" and political messiah -- all because they fear Satan; they fear the Anti-Christ; they fear Obama; they fear liberalism; they fear Islam.
Fear, fear, fear, is their only focus.
They are cowards, one and all, who allow fear to dictate their every political move.
Jesus says don't fear the one who can harm the body; fear the One who can place somebody in hell. And if Romney is yet another pied piper leading more spiritually gullible into Mormonism and its legalistic hell, then that needs some attention.
Jesus told the Pharisees of that day that they traversed sea and land to make converts "twice the son of hell."
Mormonism, with its 55,000 legalistic extensions, are doing exactly that.
Kevmo:
Otherwise I might just let G-d leave you to His own consequences with respect to this stuff.
SF:
Please do
***I think I will. You’ve shown yourself to be dishonest, disingenuous. You don’t know how to be real. You can’t seem to drop the bull shiite.
I’ll pray for you.
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