Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.
But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.
And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.
And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.
That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.
Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.
Excellent overview.
You came on this thread at post 4213 defending mormonism, so NOW you complain because you have been answered in kind??
And you claim your "main issue" is not mormonism while slapping aside information about the mormon theocracy in Utah?
Gotcha!
Elsie, excuse me you clearly have said that we should be worried about false teaching. You definitely have said Mormons are engaging in false teaching.
Let’s not beat around the bush please. Which specific religion is NOT engaging in false teaching? And I asked you about these, surely the list doesn’t contain any you are not familiar with. Which are engaged in false teaching? Please answer:
Roman Catholics
Greek Orthodox Catholics
All Protestants
Baptists
Jews
Muslims
Budhists
Fabian, take a look @ post 4338...then tell me which of those 4 statements -- three made by Romney in '07 (January, and two in August) + 1 statement made by Ann Romney in Nov 2011...are sincere...
What's truly sad is that you HAVE to play mental gymnastics with those statements just to go on defending Mitt as "pro-life."
Is the law written in Deuteronomy Chapter 22 verse 8 one of the 613? Because I'm thinking about building a new house.
According to the Mormon church, since 1980, they have converted many millions to Mormonism in the Catholic countries of Latin America.
I did not realize that you had lived the life you described, I’m used to city life, in various states, I also assumed that you would be widely read, and know something about Mormonism, or Latin America.
I still find it hard to believe that you didn’t know that any Catholics have succumbed to Mormon missionaries knocking on their doors all over the United States, and in Catholic countries.
You must have known that Romney was hiding out from the draft trying to convert, French Catholics for just one example.
I don’t believe you when you deny this. “”You know very well that Catholics convert to Mormonism, it is a staple of Mormon conversion.”””
Dude, I was on this thread a long time before the 4000’s. And my issue isn’t Mormonism, and I din’t defend Mormonism. It’s a non issue.
But I’m going to be very interested in Elsie’s answer as to which religions are NOT engaging in false teaching. I’m sure she will be very specific.
Perhaps you’d like to tell me if Catholics and Jews are on your list of false teaching? While I await Elsie’s answer.
Because I will be very facinated if she does answer.
Man, that's raw power!
(Please don't zot me)
Well, the way I frame it is that although Mitt is probably intelligent -- just like many, many Mormons are likewise...intelligence doesn't have much to do with discernment, especially spiritual discernment.
And what's truly sad is to see so many conservatives telling you that THE leader of the Free World doesn't need to be discerning. That it's either somehow missing from the POTUS "job description" -- or "who cares if the leader of the free world has a character that collapses when it comes to practicing critical discernment...?"
Yeah, that's what we want from someone making critical foreign policy & potential 'go to war' decisions...somebody highly gullible and vulnerable to deception. /sarc
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I don't speak for Elsie but I think he would agree that's above his pay grade.
Oh did Romney convert France to Mormonism while I was sleeping? I’m sure the demographics are very high for Mormonism there now.
How silly. Yes I know Mormons go on their missions and Romney in France. No, Latin America hasn’t become Mormon, either. I guess there is a rule against going on a mission to Latin America? Or France?
This is what you sit up worrying about at night? Do you mind if people convert to Catholicism or to Judaism? Doesn’t bother you?
Jehovah’s witnesses knock on doors in the NorthEast far more than Mormons. I don’t care about them, either.
I don't speak for Elsie but I think he would agree that's above his pay grade.
As soon as I hit "post" I knew I shouldn't have said that - I know that's not what you meant. My apologies.
Romney vetoed pro abortion legislation. Signed against it every time
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No he woulod not have done that...
He swore during a 2002 debate that he was pro-choiuce (whuch of course is PRO-ABORTION) and that he would not touch Roe V Wade or MASS law...
“I will protect and defend a woman’s right to get an abortion”
Kid thats not a pro-life way of speaking...
Willard also promised that if underage girls could not get their parents permission to murder their unborn then a judge would overrule the parents authority...
again, kid, thats not a pro-life way of speaking...
Ypour boy Wee Willie has years of blood of the innocents on his filthy hands...
You're in trouble now. Ayn Rand is a heroine among some here, Godless atheist that she was.
That is exactly how it happened. one day he is a life long liberal and politician, and then he switched on everything for a new campaign.
The scientist denies Mitt’s conversion story.
“Romney’s Conversion. Was it Authentic?
Romney says he became “pro-choice” two years before Roe vs. Wade became law as a result of a death of relative due to an illegal abortion. But then, in November of 2004, at age 57 years old, he claimed to have had a second conversion about the issue while meeting with a stem cell researcher from the Harvard Stem Cell Institute. Romney claimed the researcher told him,
Look, you don’t have to think about this stem cell research as a moral issue, because we kill the embryos after 14 days.
However, the media located the scientist, Dr. Douglas Melton, and he
stated he never said such a thing:
“”Governor Romney has mischaracterized my position; we didn’t discuss killing or anything related to it….I explained my work to him, told him about my deeply held respect for life, and explained that my work focuses on improving the lives of those suffering from debilitating diseases.””
It’s a troubling conversion story. If Romney was disturbed by the destruction of a 14 day old embryo created in a test tube, then how did he not realized after all his years in politics that millions of unborn babies - some as old as six months — were being destroyed? How can he walk away appalled that stem cell research kills life but then turn around and
continue to support the killing of embryos for stem cell research? (see below)
And then there’s the question of his wife Ann. A long time member of the moderate Republican Party establishment in Massachusetts, one of her jobs while her husband was governor appears to be to reassure liberal voters that her husband can be trusted to support abortion rights. Indeed, a 2002 video has now surfaced on YouTube with Mrs. Romney doing just that:
Ann romney-”I think they [referring to pro-abortion women] may be more nervous about him on social issues. They shouldn’t be, because he’s gonna be just fine.”
Romney himself chimes in, “So when asked, will I preserve and protect a women’s right to choose, I make an unequivocal answer: Yes.” You can watch this at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKwVNUz52vo
Incredibly, Ann is now being assigned by the Romney campaign to speak to pro-life groups about her husband’s pro-life credentials. Are we being asked to believe that she also had an epiphany on this issue at the same time her husband did?”
Ann Romney’s response: “No, no, I never talked to Mitt about that. Our personal opinions have never changed; we’ve always been pro-life.”
Why, Fabian, how dare you call Ann Romney a liar. Ann Romney says the Romneys have “always been pro-life” and that “Our personal opinions [on abortion] have NEVER changed...”
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