Ryan is a good man, but does not redeem the abortionist/homosexualist statist Romney

Aug 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.

But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.

And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.

And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.

That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.

Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.

[Elsie]

Heck, I got tired of playing with the poor, dumb thing days ago.

Are you channeling Godzilla?

[Elsie]

So is Charlie Brown.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Are you channeling Godzilla?

Oh, let's do leave Joy Behar out of this. ;)

[Elsie]

I love to sit in the balcony ...

[Elsie]

Although I have challenged the bigoted many times, they have never proven their foundations to be true.

Yeah...

That is a problem all right.

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Elsie]

Thanks for biting.

Did you say that to Guzman?

[Loud Mime]

First, you have to prove the teachings to be false. Having a spiritual lynch mob backing up the charges is invalid.

How do you do that? Do the teachings follow God’s Law or do they take the path of an ACLU attorney in claiming that God’s law is living and breathing? We have Ten Commandments, yet some cults have followers believing that forgiveness is easily obtained just by kissing up to the boss, thereby reducing the commandments into suggestions.

That, to me, is false teaching. Its forgiveness for tithing; spiritual prostitution on behalf of the cult leaders.

Pharisaical? NOPE. I do not claim that my behavior will be without judgment and that I have a ticket to the greatest spiritual rewards. I take the Commandments seriously; not like a liberal. I have to actually earn my spiritual rewards.

[Elsie]

When you deny Torah as the word of G-d by slamming Jews for what they believe...

HMMmm...

I thought they got 'slammed' for what they DIDN'T believe??

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John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

(niv)

[Kevmo]

How do you convert your if into a whether?
***Try to make some sense

How about if Obama really does fizzle it, just like half of cold fusion contraptions fizzle?
***If only half of the cold fusion contraptions fizzled, I’d be happy as a clam. Of course, this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Back to:
How about if Obama really does fizzle it...
Then the GOP has no need of principled conservatives and they have proven it by winning the election without us. The GOP loves UNprincipled conservatives. Do you happen to know what website you’re posting on right now? Is it for principled conservatives or UNprincipled conservatives? Is it a GOP website or a conservative website?

[Chief901]

Charlie Brown is a good guy, and he can’t beat Obama/Biden, heck he is not running..........

[HiTech RedNeck]

like a mule.

[HiTech RedNeck]

How about worrying about refinements once you survive.

[Kevmo]

Your post makes no sense. It does not answer the very simple questions:

The Good Lord called false teachers in his day, Vipers and Sons of the Devil. Would you characterize that as intolerant and bigoted? Was JESUS being Christ-like when He did it?

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Do you happen to know what website you’re posting on right now? Is it for principled conservatives or UNprincipled conservatives? Is it a GOP website or a conservative website?

Given some of the noisier, less sensible responses, to date...

... I'm beginning to wonder if the first Slick Willie didn't know what he was talking about, after all. ;)

[Chesterbelloc]

Just what "year" was that? Was there a competition? Who voted? I've been here since '01 and I didn't get a vote. Was he elected by the mormon "cabal"?

- It was roughly 2002-2003 in that range.
- Everyone on FR got to vote - don't remember how many did. The used to have polls back then too which you probably remember. Those were fun - be nice if they brought them back.
- If I remember correctly Jeff received the award for showing up in the Klamath Falls area and helping with the water issue going on at the time. Quite a group of Freepers showed up - if could remember the names I'd ping them to give their recollections. I'm happy if I can just get all my kids names right.
- I'm sure there are lots of threads about it from back then, but I'm not good enough at search to find them in a reasonable amount of time.
- Pinging this to you Jeff because I mentioned you. Btw, some of your other posts are inspiring me to start do some model building.

[Kevmo]

First, you have to prove the teachings to be false. Having a spiritual lynch mob backing up the charges is invalid.
***I see you are like so many other freepers, wandering onto this thread without realizing that there have been freepers exposing this false teaching for several years now. If you characterize that as a “spiritual lynch mob” here on this thread, why don’t you do it on the dozens of other mormonism threads? Oh, I know, because now there’s a mormon running for the GOP slot, so now you, as a good republican, are forced to defend mormonism.

[Kevmo]

How do you do that? Do the teachings follow God’s Law or do they take the path of an ACLU attorney in claiming that God’s law is living and breathing? We have Ten Commandments, yet some cults have followers believing that forgiveness is easily obtained just by kissing up to the boss, thereby reducing the commandments into suggestions.
***And your point is? You’re way off into the weeds here.

That, to me, is false teaching.
***So if you confront false teaching, are you being Christ-like?

Its forgiveness for tithing; spiritual prostitution on behalf of the cult leaders.
***Again, you’re in the weeds here. Try to make some sense.

Pharisaical? NOPE.
***And yet, like a pharisee, you don’t answer the question and move onto some other issue which isn’t even part of the debate here.

I do not claim that my behavior will be without judgment and that I have a ticket to the greatest spiritual rewards. I take the Commandments seriously; not like a liberal. I have to actually earn my spiritual rewards.
***Off into the weeds.

[Kevmo]

How about worrying about refinements once you survive.

***Now you’re back to the overblown fears, the cowardice. We see this every time there’s a CINO running for pres. I’m not voting for a destable librul just because you are afraid.

[MEG33]

KICK THE MARXIST OUT!