Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)

Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

[Seizethecarp]

"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland

The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.

In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?

Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.

For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!

Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.

For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.

The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?

In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.

Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.

[Candor7]

Not thick at all, mind like a good steel trap.

:-)

I love it when someone tries to white-wash the Iron Lady.

[Fred Nerks]

You made me smile...hasn’t happened often, lately.

[Candor7]

A smile is a good as a rest. Good!

[Seizethecarp]

For the record, cross-posting Fred Nerks admitting to danamco that the latest Mal-Val spin on the identity of the “dark boy” is “nutty”.

This was just after JimRob shut down butterdezillion’s Fuddy murder conspiracy involving a diver at the plane crash site.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3139362/posts?page=184#184

danamco:

“...I could probably mention 10 times more ‘nuttery’ cases and would probably also wind up in the “silent” corner?”

Fred Nerks:

“You could add mine, Stanley Ann Dunham and the kenyan are not his mother, the real Barack Obama grew up in Kenya and they called him ‘David’ - and deliberately misidentified him as Mark in a family photo.

“The fault lies with the liars and fakers, not with the people who are trying to get to the bottom of it. I’ve never had so many enemies in my life...just for trying to explain how it seems they done it...

“There’s got to be a place for me in the nutty queue, just behind butter...?”

[Fred Nerks]

h/t W.T.P.O.T.U.S. blog:

The Ninety-Ninth Commencement took place in 1990. Ndesandjo is listed on page 84 of the 1990 commencement brochure. The top of page 85 is included for reference.

Thanks to one of our intrepid researchers, we now know for certain when Mark Okoth Ndesandjo, the half-brother (?) of Barack Obama, was awarded a Master of Science in Physics from Stanford University: 1990.

It was recently revealed that Ndesandjo had been suspended from the university by Professor Steven Chu, who coincidentally (or not) later on became Secretary of Energy in Ndesandjo’s half-brother’s (?) administration.

MYSTERY SOLVED

Here’s another coincidence for you. Apparently Ndesandjo’s half-brother (?) Barry’s babysitter’s son (follow that?) graduated from Stanford with a Bachelor of Arts in Anthropology, only the year before Ndesandjo got his Master of Science in Physics:

[LucyT]

Check out # 1,764.

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[Fred Nerks]

You are one awfully sick puppy.

[Fred Nerks]

And you’re not far behind.

[little jeremiah]

Shirley, you jest...

You think anyone will fall for pretending that FN meant that seriously?

[Fred Nerks]

“The fault lies with the liars and fakers, not with the people who are trying to get to the bottom of it. I’ve never had so many enemies in my life...just for trying to explain how it seems they done it...

[Seizethecarp]

Per Fred Nerks:

“...the real Barack Obama grew up in Kenya and they called him ‘David’ - and deliberately misidentified him as Mark in a family photo.”

According to the Mal-Val narrative, “the real Barack Obama” referred to above by Fred Nerks, is claimed the have grown up to be Roman Obama of Guinea (by way of Moscow) whose real father is claimed to be BHO Sr. and whose birth name was supposedly Barack Hussein Obama II, ergo Roman Obama is “the real Barack Obama.”

The recent revelation of the new picture of Mark and David on the cover of Mark’s new book shows direct age progression of Mark and David from Mark’s earlier family and studio pictures of those same boys.

Despite this new photographic confirmation including Mark placing his adult face right next to the photo of his face at approximately age 10 so that you can see it is clearly him, Fred Nerks is pulling the “Who are you going to believe...me or your lyin’ eyes?” routine.

Fred Nerks says above that the boy identified as Mark in the family photos is not Mark but is “the real Barack Obama” (Roman) and that this other son was raised as David in Kenya by Ruth and BHO Sr....and then later became Roman Obama by the time he got to a university in Moscow.

Meanwhile, Fred Nerks insists that POTUS Barry is the boy that Mark consistently identifies as his brother David in the studio pictures of the two boys and that the “dark boy” that Mark says is himself is Roman and that the picture was likely taken near Harvard in the US before BHO Sr. got deported...a year before Mark was born.

But in the family picture with BHO Sr., Ruth Baker and two boys in Kenya, the same baby Fred Nerks says is Barry in the studio pics, Fred Nerks now insists is Mark, not Barry! Nerks says that the older, darker boy is still Roman in all of the pictures.

Yes, Fred Nerks, this Mal-Val narrative is nutty, as you yourself declared! It is intended, ultimately by you, to make possible the claim that Mal and Val are Barry’s parents via the endless ludicrous and unsupported claims up-thread.

[Fred Nerks]

The more you get your knickers knotted, the louder and longer you decry my postings over more than two years, the more obvious it becomes there’s something very solid behind the who-are-the-parents question that scares you...terrifies you. Your persistent over-reaction and obsessional need to follow every word I write with an emotional outburst, must only make the reader more curious.
So thank you. It’s the best kind of advertising there is. Almost as good as censorship.

[Seizethecarp]

Who are you going to believe? Fred Nerks, or your lyin’ eyes?

Do you honestly believe that the “dark boy” in both the family and studio pictures is the same person who grew up to be Roman, as Fred Nerks Claims, and not Mark Ndesandjo, despite the confirmation that it clearly IS Mark by the clear resemblance and age continuity shown in the pictures on cover of Mark’s new book?

[Fred Nerks]

Why don’t you ask your question with photographs, do you expect people to have a photographic memory? I always post sources, documents and photographs to accompany what I write, why it is beneath you to do the same?

[Fred Nerks]

That's Mark she's holding. The darker boy is at least five years old.

That's Ruth with Mark, a still from a video in which Mark shows the interviewer through a photo album. Mark was born in 1965.

And here's the dark child on the right who is five years old in the family group image in Kenya. Who is the boy on the left? It can't be 'David' because the progression of the images shows that the dark boy was born in 1961 and 'David' supposedly came along in 1967.

No one would have bothered to look, until Malik said he grew up with Barack in Nairobi and Barack taught school in Uganda. Shouldn't he have said 'David'?

Now give it a rest, or you'll end up in the 'nutty corner' with butter and myself.

[Brown Deer]

For the record, cross-posting Seizethecarp admitting to butterdezillion that he is an Obot and troll:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3139362/posts?page=87#87

“But when death comes - and remember that none of us can stave off death forever, and some are closer than even they know - the lies will be your enemy because you will answer for every one of them.

“Repent, and live. It’s not too late.”

A timeless message for all souls, but particularly for Obots and trolls on FR who promote lies to defend liars!

[JoeProBono]

” Seizethecarp admitting to butterdezillion that he is an Obot and troll”?

[GBA]

“The fault lies with the liars and fakers, not with the people who are trying to get to the bottom of it. I’ve never had so many enemies in my life...just for trying to explain how it seems they done it...

Well said and quite an interesting observation. I've thought the same from and throughout the Clinton years until, and especially, now. Thanks for putting those observations and thoughts into words!

What an odd bundle of autonomous reactive counterproductive subroutines we humans have built in to us and the often deadly interactive herd mentality that can come from them.

It's a shame they are so easily used against us and we so blindly fall into that fog and then stubbornly refuse to come out of it. All part of the con, works like a charm...Satan smiles.

[Jedidah]

Good grief. Can you not recognize sarcasm?

Looks to me like you’re just trying to continue the unpleasantness of yesterday’s Fuddy thread by bringing it over here. Is it a personal vendetta, or do you just thrive off conflict?

It really is sad how ugly FR has become, and your post is a good example.

It’s not necessary to argue. I didn’t see butterdezillion’s point of view on the Fuddy issue, but neither did I follow her around making fun of it. Why can’t you just post your opinions and let others do the same, no harm to you? Can’t figure out if you’re a saboteur or just one of those unpleasant people who thrive on discord.

[Fantasywriter]

Thanks for the ping. I haven’t been following the discussions lately, so it was very helpful.

I gather that one of our more beloved Freeper/Birthers is under fire for promoting a ‘nutty’ theory. It’s safe to assume, then, that the Mal-Valers are under fire for their psychotic theory, correct? After all, there is at least claimed evidence of frogmen; of Malcolm X as Obama’s father, of Valerie Sarruf as his mother, and of the nonexistence of his half brother, David Ndesandjo, there is NOTHING.

Jack Cashill having adeptly and devastatingly disposed of the ‘Malcolm X as father’ idea, let’s have a look at where the ‘David never existed’ claim stands.

According to Mal-Valers:

David’s brother Mark posts a photo of David on the Net, & this means David never existed.

Mark posts a photo of the same child-David-~three yrs older, posing with Mark, and this means David never existed.

Ruth Ndesandjo consistently affirms that she had a son named David Opiyo Ndesandjo, Mark’s full brother, and this means David never existed.

The Ndesandjos’ neighbors, in extensive interviews, affirm David’s existence, and this means he never existed.

Sally Jacobs, who conducted most of the interviews, affirms David’s existence, and this means he never existed.

David Maraniss, famed for his exhaustive research techniques, affirms David’s existence, and this means David never existed.

The largest newspaper in David’s hometown affirms his life and death, and this means he never existed.

The second largest newspaper in David’s hometown affirms his life and death, and this means David never existed.

Several genealogy sites list David as Mark’s younger brother, and this means David never existed.

No person, not a single one, who actually knew the Ndesandjos has ever claimed Mark never existed. In fact, there is no record of anyone, other than the Mal-Valers, making this claim.

So which is more believable? The frogmen, that at least a couple of people claim see, or David’s nonexistence, which flies in the face of ALL countervailing evidence? [For the record, I don’t believe in the frogmen. However, it is a fact that more evidence, such as it is, has been put forth to argue for their existence than has been put forth in support of the claim that David Opiyo Ndesandjo never existed.

So, which is the nuttier theory?

[And for the record, Seize, of course you never claimed to be an Obot. I don’t know why people are allowed to smear others this way. It’s not conducive to maintaining a fully functional, cohesive conservative community, nor does it serve any good purpose. It’s just a smear, pure and simple.]