Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
1. Ella Collins, Betty Shabazz, Percy Sutton and the funeral home proprietor. 2. Funeral. 3. Unidentified woman in dark glasses, sitting one empty seat removed from Percy Sutton.
She's NOT Stanley Ann Dunham, and as we can't be sure who she is, we call her Greta Garbo, for the time being. The girl on the right is the 'Val' from the VAL - MAL NARRATIVE. That's in the title of this thread, which came from this:
Barack Obama Sr. in Kenya with his third wife, Ruth Baker Obama, an American who met him in Boston at Harvard while he was in graduate school, after he and Ann had divorced. Ruth would eventually leave Obama Sr. "after years of physical abuse fueled by his drinking."
Closing down out of respect for the victims of the tornado.
I’ll ask again.
I just scanned 320 records. No one has a c circa against their date of birth, or in this case year of birth, except Nancy.
http://search.nndb.com/search/nndb.cgi?type=unspecified&query=brown
Where did you get her date of birth from?
Only historic figures have c circa. Why won’t you answer the simple question. Where did you get Nancy’s date of birth from?
Troll. Just go away.
No. You know Nancy was mentioned long ago.
Sorry Dear, your search above produces only historical names.
Why is the source of Nancy’s date of birth “top secret”?
Why won’t you answer the simple question? Where did you get Nancy’s date of birth from?
You are either a total twit or just pathologically dishonest. I posted this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2913366/posts?page=1457#1457
to which your responded:
To: Fred Nerks
That’s supposed to be Nancy.
1,473 posted on Friday, 17 May 2013 11:41:50 PM by ABrit
Other than that, I know nothing about any Nancy. You disgusting TROLL!
She’s achieved what she set out to do, she’s derailed the conversation. She’s a troll. (And a frikken idiot to boot)
Why don’t you go home, you disgusting woman!
excerpt:
Back in Kenya, his Harvard experience became part of his Big Man persona. He referred often to his Harvard training and insisted on being called ‘Doctor’ even without the degree. It was a great time for young black professionals in a newly independent African nation. A management trainee for Shell/BP, Barack stood out in his bespoke suits, silk ties and shiny shoes, roaring around Nairobi in a blue Ford Fairlane with racing stripes. Beneath the bravado was a desperate desire for recognition.
That became apparent when Ruth Baker arrived. She was a Simmons College graduate who had fallen in love with him in Cambridge, and whom he had promised to marry if she joined him in Kenya. When she showed up, he asked his friend Samuel Ayodo, the minister of natural resources, to ‘tell Ruth that my father is a king and my family is very, very important.’ Barack was painfully eager to impress Ruth, and to impress everyone else with his white wife. He had no intention of living ‘like an African’, he told his friends, with more than one wife in his household at one time. Kezia would not be included.
Ruth soon learned that African men stayed out drinking and partying every night. But her husband started earlier in the day and was more relentless than most of his colleagues. Barack would stumble in late, bellowing at his wife for being asleep, beating her for failing to fix him food, scandalising the neighbours, terrifying the children – who included two sons by Ruth and a son and daughter by Kezia. (He brought Kezia’s children into his family but refused to let their mother visit them.)
Barack’s decline fell into a pattern. He would acquire a decent job based on his econometric skills – with the Central Bank of Kenya, then the Kenya Tourist Development Corporation – but would soon begin complaining: ‘The money was never enough,’ Jacobs writes, ‘he was employed below his abilities,’ or those above him were out of their depth. When he was in his cups, which was most of the time, he would denigrate his superiors’ credentials and claim more status than he actually possessed.
Some of his difficulties could be attributed to circumstances beyond his control. The Kenyatta government was dominated by Kikuyus; Barack was a Luo. He could never suppress his tendency to bluntness. His criticisms of Kenyatta’s development plans were often on the mark. He anticipated the catastrophes created by unregulated capital and proposed instead the melding of free market and communalism in land co-operatives. But accurate criticism was not the path to power. Barack found he could not play the fool to curry favour with the Europeans at the Central Bank of Kenya. He lasted nine months. After Mboya, also a Luo, was assassinated, Barack publicly accused the Kikuyus, denouncing Kenyatta’s ‘betrayal of the Kenyan people’. This was not the sort of conduct that would encourage the Kenya Tourist Development Corporation to overlook his alcoholic over-reaching. He was fired, drank himself insensate and drove his car into a tree, breaking his leg in several places. Ruth became the family’s sole support...
who included two sons by Ruth...
That's Mark Ruth is holding, he's about one year old + and the dark boy standing with the kenyan appears to be about five, Mark was born after Ruth arrived in Kenya, the dark boy was born in 1961. Ruth didn't have two sons with the kenyan student, she had only the one.
I get it now, don’t know why it took so long...she’s MarthaT’s sidekick and she’s trying to pass ‘Nancy’ off as Jo Ann Newman. What a pair of idiots. Neither of them should enjoy posting rights on FR.
The ‘gatekeepers’ must be asleep.
All they are is blogpimps.
http://moralmatters.org/2013/05/10/
Of the initial sample of 320 I looked at, Nancy was the only one with circa. When I followed your initial link I found all the names I could see to be historic figures like Joan of Arc. The new link shows ordinary people with no c for circa. Some of them tend to be born in countries where there are unreliable records, or to be black and born when blacks were second class citizens. It seems very unusual for for someone born in New York in 1952 not to have a reliable birth record.
You say:
“It doesn’t really matter what her exact date of birth (although her birthdate really is April 2, 1952) was in this case, does it? I already reworded the question to what grade in school she was in during 1960/61, just to make you happy.”
Why won’t you answer the simple question.
Why is the source of Nancy’s date of birth “top secret”?
Why won’t you answer the question?
So have you worked it out yet that if it is the 'same kid' he couldn't be 'David' because he's Zero - and he couldn't be sitting next to Mark (as Mark claims) because Mark was born after his mother and father married on Christmas Eve, 1964? Have you worked it out that the older, darker boy, is the son of the kenyan student, and that Ruth couldn't be his mother? Or, lol...are you still wondering how the hammer fits into the wheeled tool-kit toy?
You’re right, it wasn’t a tool-kit toy.
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