Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)

Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

[Seizethecarp]

"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland

The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.

In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?

Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.

For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!

Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.

For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.

The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?

In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.

Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.

[Brown Deer]

Cross-posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2989394/replies?c=160

To: MarthaT

“Truth is: the Mother of “Barack Obama’ is far from dead, far from obese, and far from ‘folksy’. She’s been far from Indonesia, too. All these years, The Mother of America’s “President” has been here, in America,...”

So that means all those pedalling Valerie Sarruf and Stanley Ann Dunham are blowing smoke?

160 posted on 03/03/2013 7:38:35 AM PST by ABrit (awordinyourear.blogspot.co.uk)

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To: ABrit

Toxic, evil, deceitful smoke. Thanks be to God for the mistakes they’ve made, [and keep making]. And that the fraud/forgery efforts they have long congratulated themselves as ‘professional’ are, in fact, crude and amateurish.

It is important to keep in mind that, core to their scheme, this group proliferates identities. Some are stolen; some are composite; some are wholly fabricated. One identity can also sport many others. One actual person can, in fact, occupy several different ‘lives’.

From my studies it appears that this propensity for identity fabrication originates in deep, primitive self-loathing, soothed by the fantasy that, as Uncle Fred Newman insisted, all you have to do is imagine who you want to be, ‘Perform Your Life’ as that person, and you become that person. This model is clearly exemplified with the “Barack Obama” synthetic identity as he ‘Performs His Presidency”.

As for “Stanley Ann”, this identity may prove to be partially accurate - in that “she” and Jo Ann at some point had a fraudulent ‘identity’ connection - but for the sake of our investigation, what is relevant is that a.k.a. “BHOII” was born to a person known at the time as [Jo] Ann/Anna Newman.

162 posted on 03/03/2013 9:50:01 AM PST by MarthaT (Terrible Truth - Investigative Research On The Actual Personal History Of “Barack Hussein Obama II”)

[Fred Nerks]

They had six daughters: Attallah (b. 1958, named for Attila the Hun);[62][63] Qubilah (b. 1960, named for Kublai Khan);[64] Ilyasah (b. 1962, named for Elijah Muhammad);[65] Gamilah Lumumba (b. 1964, named for Patrice Lumumba);[66] and twins Malikah and Malaak (b. 1965 after their father's death, and named for him).[67]

As the image of the apparently white woman holding a something like six month old infant in that photograph from the NOI publication shows, which publication was dated April 1962 depicting a meeting in February...it's doubtful that the woman and the child shown are Mrs MX and one of her several daughters.

It's possible what we see here is the au pair and the little boy she showed to Susan. Stanley Ann Dunham once made a rather enigmatic comment to a friend...she said; I don't need to get married to have a baby... doesn't anyone remember that?

[Fred Nerks]

I see there’s another disrupting idiot waiting in the wings. Good that you caught that, another steaming pile of poop to jump over.

Moving right along:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2913366/posts?page=1482#1482

[Brown Deer]

That’s supposed to be Nancy.

Nancy Ellen Cantor was born in New York City on April 2, 1952 to Marjorie Hoffman and Aaron Cantor and you believe that she was the mother of Barack 0bama?



Your friend Martha is more full of it than Sven!

[Fred Nerks]

Maybe she meant Nancy Pelosi?

Now we’ve got this one, can Martha be far behind? 5.4.3.2.1...

[Fred Nerks]

Here's the excerpt from 'Dreams' about that film...in case there are some freepers who haven't heard of it before. This is how Ayres tells us that Stanley Ann Dunham had the hots for black natives from Kenya:

On a more realistic note, this is round about the same period in history that the Brooklyn Bridge first came onto the market...

[Fred Nerks]

To continue:

About halfway through the movie I decided I’d seen enough, and turned to my mother to see if she might be ready to go. But her face, lit by the blue glow of the screen, was set in a wistful gaze. At that moment I felt as if I were being given a window into her heart, the unreflective heart of her youth. I suddenly realised that the depiction of the childlike blacks I was now seeing on the screen, the reverse image of Conrad’s dark savages, was what my mother had carried with her to Hawaii all those years before, a reflection of the simple fantasies that had been forbidden to a white, middle-class girl from Kansas, the promise of another life: warm, sensual, exotic, different.”

And this movie, and his mother’s undiminished rapture at it, was to be the subject of fierce self-questioning about his relationship with her: “The emotions between the races could never be pure; even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2009/feb/02/barack-obama-black-orpheus

Ayres at his best? Bridge for sale, slightly rusted; cheap.

[little jeremiah]

It's possible what we see here is the au pair and the little boy she showed to Susan. Stanley Ann Dunham once made a rather enigmatic comment to a friend...she said; I don't need to get married to have a baby... doesn't anyone remember that?

I remember that unusual statement. Especially unusual in that era. It kind of jumped out at me...

Funny the Martha doppleganger showed up.

[little jeremiah]

That revolting excerpt by Ayers verges into sick porn.

[little jeremiah]

What Ayres may have inadvertently revealed is where she was when she was 16. In Chicago. Perhaps living with her Uncle Charles T Payne, who was Deputy Director of the University of Chicago Library...for something like 60 years, until his retirement.

They thought they were being very clever, mixing up fiction and a small bit of factoid here and there. The small bits of factoids shed more light on the lies, rather than making the lies look like truth. they thought people would swallow the whole pottage but they were wrong! More people are going to be questioning this poison myth and will be asking "Who IS he?"

[Fred Nerks]

Every profound lie needs a little truth to hang its hat on. If there had never been a black kenyan student in Hawaii they would have found someone else. He was there at the right time.
If there had never been a girl named Stanley Ann Dunham, some other white girl would have been chosen and paid to take that child to someone like Susan Blake, then fly out to Boston that same day, as Susan said.
The purpose was to give the child an ID.

Our purpose is to try and find who his parents were and where he came from. So far, all we do know is that he probably had one white parent and one who was somewhat coloured.

(Add to that and stir was you see fit.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A3bYdwSsr8&list=UUp5Mqb8hSKGI1hbk5ayzXXA&index=18&feature=plcp

[Fred Nerks]

It's an interesting montage, the man is in the desert within sight of the pyramids, wearing a suit and carrying a walking stick; the 'native' has a face that's been obliterated, and even with the camel in a reclined position, the native must have been very very tall...I never knew quite what to make of the image and assumed it was a compilation created as a memento of a visit to Egypt.

Take note of the caption:

Sepember 1964. Leaving a second summit in August, Malcolm traveled to Kenya, where he ran into SNCC activists John Lewis and Donald Harris and spent ??? days discussing the civil rights movement, he flew from Kenya to Tanzania with President Jomo Kenyatta of Kenya and Ugandan President Milton Obote. He made a return visit to Nigeria and made his last stop in Comakry, French West Africa (now Guinea)

[little jeremiah]

Every profound lie needs a little truth to hang its hat on. If there had never been a black kenyan student in Hawaii they would have found someone else. He was there at the right time.
If there had never been a girl named Stanley Ann Dunham, some other white girl would have been chosen and paid to take that child to someone like Susan Blake, then fly out to Boston that same day, as Susan said. The purpose was to give the child an ID.

Our purpose is to try and find who his parents were and where he came from. So far, all we do know is that he probably had one white parent and one who was somewhat coloured.

The only way to find the truth - which is what you researchers have done very well - is to not accept anything from Ayers' book, from news articles, press releases or any other material without other corroborating evidence. Starting with a clean sheet of paper, so to speak. So many others start with something on that paper as a given, and that is the fatal mistake, because any new info they find has to be jammed and forced into what they think they "know", or just tossed aside if it doens't "fit".

And of course some of these book writers or others have more nefarious agendas than just clinging to preconceptions. By starting from scratch, then researchers find what parts of the myth are true, and which ones aren't, rather than just accepting parts and having to bend and twist new findings into the existing framework.

You've all done very well, in fact, excellent work. Everyone interested in truth - owes you all big time.

[Fred Nerks]

Maraniss writes a book, he gets his stuff from the two characters who run the Seattle Museum of the Mysteries, (big foot, ghosts of the famous departed, UFO’s and homosexual parades and fairy festivals) Sally Jacobs writes a book, she has the unredacted immigration file for the kenyan for two years before the book is published (she knows the maiden name of ANNA and/or Ann S Obama, but she’s not telling) Marable writes a book, he’s been collecting MX history, publications, speeches, film, biographies for ten years (iirc, all housed at Columbia University) he tells of Betty and Malcolm both having affairs, the daughters are furious...and so it goes. One layer of BS upon another, and when someone, anyone, like Marable who just might have known what was what (but he’s dead) tries to suggest that maybe the sky is blue after all, it’s not green as some want us to believe...out come the big guns:

YOU’RE A RACIST!
STANLEY ANN DUNHAM WAS HIS MOTHER!
THE KGB PAID FOR HER TO HAVE THE BABY IN KENYA!

My reply; No I’m not. No she wasn’t. And No again, truth is stranger than any fiction the obstructionists can concoct.

[thecodont]

Thanks for the ping!

[Fred Nerks]

Philip Lipson and Charlette Le Fevre who discovered the name of the woman ANNA OBAMA listed in the Seattle Polk directory for 1961, and who provided the photograph of the house which was supposedly at that address, where Mary, the famous baby sitter, babysat a child for that same woman she identified as ANNA for whom she said she baby sat when her own daughter, born in July 1959, was 18 months of age, and I'm not doing the math again, Mary is having enough trouble explaining how she made that come out as 1962, when it should have been 1961.

And btw, someone should tell that author David Maraniss that if he plans to attend the next fairy festival in Seattle organized by Charlette, he better book in early. Same goes for the next UFO Seminar. Places are limited. PLenty of space at the next Gay Pride Parade, however.

A visit to the Seattle Museum of the Mysteries is a must.

See you there.

[Fred Nerks]

During our first interview, Mary referred to Stanley Ann Dunham as ³Anna² not knowing that it was the same name as what was listed in the Seattle City Directory. This verified for us that indeed Mary had known Ann Dunham.

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[Fred Nerks]

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MARY REFERRED TO HER AS ANNA, THAT’S HOW WE KNEW SHE MEANT STANLEY ANN DUNHAM??

No, Charlette, Mary referred to her as ANNA because that’s who she was. Just like in the Polk. That was ANNA OBAMA. And it was in JANUARY 1961. Which indicates that Stanley Ann Dunham was still in high school somewhere when Anna’s child was conceived.

Isn’t that right, Charlette?

[Fred Nerks]

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[little jeremiah]

MX sure travelled a lot, on whose dime, I wonder.