Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)

Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

[Seizethecarp]

"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland

The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.

In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?

Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.

For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!

Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.

For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.

The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?

In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.

Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.

[little jeremiah]

That’s very good, American Thinker, they’re starting to think. Once they realize how much of the fable is fabulous, then they can start to realize the parentage is false as well.

[little jeremiah]

Not Stanley Ann D. Obama, either. Attempts to make it appear that SAD used the name “Ann” or “Anna” fall flat every time they’re tried.

[Fred Nerks]

You’ll have to forgive me - I am thick - is she saying the future pres was an orphan? Would that be because his actual mother was not there, just BHO and Ruth?

She's taking credit for mothering the children of Onyango and Habiba, the woman who left Onyango, and Sarah, as his other wife, brought them up. You know how it is with muslims, the mother never gets to keep her children. And then when they brought the dark boy, who was born in January 1961 home to Kenya in August 1964, he was also motherless, his mother had returned to the Philippines, according to the INS docs. So Sarah claims him as another 'orphan' - why not? She's being given an award, the more the merrier? Seriously, when the dark boy, the son of the kenyan student was brought to the village, the 'passing through the hands of the members of the Clan' ceremony was applicable. And that's what Sarah means.

Slightly different part of this topic - hard to imagine that any of them who knew the young BHO/”David” could think that Zero was the same boy grown up, as there is no resemblence.

Just as it's hard to believe that Mark Ndesandjo would identify zero as 'David' and try to tell you that the dark boy in the family group is himself? Hey? Or just as they tell you that 'David' died in a motor-cycle accident? And that he looked so much like zero he was mistaken for 'David' in the street in Nairobi...(in Dreams)

Even if a person is gone for 20 or more years, still there are many features/skin color/bone structure etc that are totally different. Plus Zero has no Kenyan accent.

The Clan in the village probably never saw the dark boy after he was 'passed throught their hands' and went to live in Nairobi with his father and Ruth and Auma. There are bound to be clan members who still believe that boy is now your president. As for the family, the benefits outweigh everything...BHO2 was in Moscow for over a decade, and he never returned to Kenya. Funny. They would probably disown any knowledge of him. (Ekua, pushed or shoved aside, remember?)

[Fred Nerks]

This is what she said:

“This is a show of blessing from God, since I have always dedicated my time to tend to the orphans. Even the US president passed through my hands,” added the grandmother.

You have to learn to understand what IS means, she doesn't say that the president is an orphan, she says passed through my hands

And you're not thick, you're just not equipped to read between the lines of all the lies. She knows only too well what the fraud is all about, she's just trying her best to perpetuate the lie that her step-grandson who passed though her hands and attended the university in Moscow is the same man as zero. Lies build up in layers, they grow and eventually they get so huge, they burst.

[Fred Nerks]

Dear Old Thing. You think she lived to be nearly ninety in Kenya and outlived three other wives without being shrewd? She visited Muamar Gaddafi in 2009. Wouldn't we like to have been a fly on the wall? What might she have told him?

[little jeremiah]

Thanks, all that makes sense. And if the people in the village hadn’t seen the boy for decades, I suppose they might think that Zero is the same boy they saw at 3 or 3 1/2 years of age. But Sarah - Sarah knows, I’m sure. She has her wits about her, survival instinct and all that.

[Fred Nerks]

Articles By Don Wilkie

•Just When Was Obama Born?
•We Have Been Duped: The Story
•Dreams from Governor Abercrombie
•What David Maraniss Left Out of The Story
•It’s Possible
•The Case Against Barack Obama, Sr.
•Why Obama Was Not Born in Kenya

http://www.americanthinker.com/don_wilkie/

[little jeremiah]

Thank you. I think I’ll ping the list to the updates, in a bit.

[Fred Nerks]

One of the Clan tells us that he saw the son of the kenyan student at the funeral, another report has him mourning at the graveside not long afterwards.

Which is which? Are they referring to Malik or David/Roman before he departed for Moscow? They seem to be under the impression they saw you know who...

It's the same blending as in 'Dreams' - one can almost see the Stage Director holding the script that was the result of the Story Board they created. It's a production created just as any movie would be.

One Barack Hussein Obama departs - the other enters. But it doesn't always work...when Kezia visited the kenyan in hospital after one of his earlier accidents, she says she found a woman there she didn't recognize.

HA! That's so funny...they had introduced Stanley Ann Dunham as the woman he married in Hawaii and zero as their son, and now she's faced with Ruth.

Pardon me while I savour the moment. The Three Stooges coulda done it better.

[little jeremiah]

That’s very interesting. Kezia saw a woman she didn’t recognize.

Ruth.

And any of them start started to see the light and ask questions were no doubt given $$$$$. And maybe a little threat, too. Probably Mark got both.

[Fred Nerks]

I wouldn’t speculate about what makes them all perform, one of our group made the comment that there are probably individuals involved who might have been unwilling - but got caught up in it anyway, and don’t know how to extricate themselves.

[Fred Nerks]

..."I'm very proud that he wants to include us in his life. As a family, we are very friendly, very close.

"The family are still very important to him. That would make Barack Sr very happy.

"We have seen each other many times since that first visit, in the US, in Kenya and in England. I was very fond of Barack Jr's mother, Ann.

"She came to Kenya after Barack Snr died and she and I became great friends. She was like a sister to me

Source

[Fred Nerks]

If you’re up to the mental gymnastics required, it’s as clear as a bell, LOL!:

“We have seen each other many times since that first visit, in the US, in Kenya and in England. I was very fond of Barack Jr’s mother, Ann.
“She came to Kenya after Barack Snr died and she and I became great friends. She was like a sister to me.”

~snip

But Barack Snr then lost both legs in a car crash coming back from a nightclub - and Kezia discovered the truth.
She said: “When I went to see him in the hospital I thought, ‘What is that lady in there with him for?’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-506338/Barack-Obamas-stepmother-living-Bracknell-reveals-close-bond-—mother.html#ixzz2TVmQCC9L
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[Fred Nerks]

So, I gather it can’t have been easy convincing the family in Kenya that the woman he had married in Hawaii and whose son he had brought back to Kenya with him, had been left behind and he was now married to Ruth, and Ruth wasn’t the white woman he married in Hawaii...but he was a muslim, so at that point, what difference does it make?
Kezia could have as many children as she liked while he was away and they were also his, because she was his first wife...and ‘granny’ Sarah, knowing everything, ended up telling some of the children of Kezia that they were NOT the children of the kenyan...but of course she still clings to being the step-grandmother of zero, whose parents we do not know, as they have not been revealed yet...

lord love a duck and inshalla.

[WildHighlander57]

And if the date of any of SADO ‘s trips noted in that TECS II printout are within the timespan of that accident plus however long he was in hospital, then its SADO that Sarah saw.

Now put that together with what Kezia did, mistook SADO for Ruth when SADO visited....

[WildHighlander57]

Sarah s/b Kezia

(Arrgh, trying to keep track of all of it!)

[Fred Nerks]

The question is...if that's a photograph of the back of Stanley Ann Dunham, and that child is zero, is this the child that SAD took to Boston in August, 1961...after she visited Susan?

The captions are not mine.

[Fred Nerks]

I don't follow you, sorry. I don't even know if I can follow myself. Stanley Ann Dunham and Alice Dewey, with probably zero in tow, visited the village after the old man was buried.

A previous accident sees Kezia at the hospital, where she first finds out about Ruth, according to her. We don't know when he had his first accident, apparently there were several, one in which his passenger was killed, the last one killed him.

How come she didn't recognize Ruth? Her children, Malik and Auma were supposedly living with their stepmother and father in Nairobi, where they were going to school...growing up with 'David'/Roman, to whom Malik refers as Barack Obama. I give up. My shoulder hurts, I'm calling it a day.

[Brown Deer]

"This is confirmed by David Maraniss..."

How would he know? That's nonsense!

Dr. Drew Questions David Maraniss About Barack Obama: The Story

John Drew: It's Drew...John and...John and Tricia Drew. How did you find out Caroline was Regina?

David Maraniss: Didn't hear it from the president. John and Tricia?

John Drew: John and Tricia.

Tricia Drew: T-R-I-C-I-A.

John Drew: I was shocked when I read that...because I...I knew it was...

Tricia Drew: Thank you, sir.

John Drew: Do you want to stay in touch?

David Maraniss: Yeah, I'll give you my e-mail address.

John Drew: I'm...I've written about six articles in American Thinker...Breitbart. Did you know I existed?

David Maraniss: After the book came out...American Thinker...Jack Cashill are not my favorite people. But, I...

Tricia: Thank you, we'll appreciate that time.

David Maraniss: What you're talking about and what he's talking about are two very different things. You're talking about your relationship which is, for you know, is fact-based -- as far as you're concerned. They're talking about conspiracy theories, which there's just...you know...there's no factual way to prove these things.

John Drew: If you read my article, you'll see I actually was...I think was the first person to confront his faith in a Communist revolution in the U.S. ...I swear as God is my witness...I think I changed his opinion...I'd place his political interest closer to Occidental.

David Maraniss: Thank you.

[Brown Deer]

What David Maraniss Left Out of The Story

Maraniss continues to rely on Dreams for much of his narrative.

Then there is the issue of whom Ann dated in high school.



Maraniss, knowingly or not, opens up a mystery heretofore unexamined. Mentioning the birth notice that appeared in the Star-Bulletin, he states that it identified "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama" at a home address of "6085 Kalanianaole Highway." Maraniss adds, "But she and Obama and the infant never lived there." He goes on to say, "Only a few days after the boy was born, the father had to fill out immigration papers to extend his student visa. The residence he listed on those papers was 1704 Punahou Street, apartment 15."

Maraniss has this all wrong. The immigration papers listing the 1704 Punahou Street address were filled out on March 3, 1961, long before a child was born. The next time Obama listed his address on an immigration document was on August 31, 1961. The address given was 1482 Alencastre Street.