Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)

Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

[Seizethecarp]

"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland

The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.

In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?

Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.

For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!

Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.

For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.

The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?

In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.

Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.

[American Constitutionalist]

Now is the best timing to bring all that up since we have all these scandals breaking with him being weakened and the MSM are actually questioning him now and have doubts about him.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving A$$ Hole.

[American Constitutionalist]

We may not know who he is, but we surely know what he is, a real piece of crap. i.e. POS.

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.marcmanley.com/2012-ella-collins-winter-retreat/

Here it is - the Ella Collins/Imam Suhaib Webb connection.

LOCATION

ISBCC – Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center, 100 Malcolm X Boulevard, Roxbury, MA 02120.

Video at link. Ella Collins was the sister of Malcolm X.

[little jeremiah]

Testing the newly minted Zero Background Research Ping list, to Fred Nerks’ comment, with Malik’s interview about “growing up” with Barack. Which one, pray tell? Obviously not the one who bears the name now.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2913366/posts?page=1418#1418

As usual, anyone wanting on/off this brand spanking new ping list, freepmail me.

[little jeremiah]

The picture is getting clearer, thank you very much.

[Fred Nerks]

FROM POINT A TO POINT B ON THE MAP

CLICK ON THE LINK

According to the Google Map previously posted, if you follow the purple line from Magazine Street where the kenyan student lived with his brother Omar, to the Dale Street address of Ella Collins, sister of Malcolm X - it becomes obvious what he meant when he told his associates at Harvard that he visited his son...a number of times.

But we need to know, which one of these two little boys was the son of the kenyan student named Barack Hussein Obama. Don't we...

One of them shows up in Hawaii in 1963 and the other one can be seen with his father and stepMOTHER in Kenya, after Ruth gave birth to Mark.

[GregNH]

POINT A TO POINT B Walking

There was also bus service.

[Brown Deer]

you mean something more like this?

[GregNH]

Yeah, don’t why it didn’t show up right for my link...

[little jeremiah]

What this all indicates is that the major players - 0bama the Kenyan, MX and his sister, the Toutonghis in Seattle (and many others) all knew each other or had mutual friends. The Kenyan and Stanely weren’t chosen as figurehead “parents” out of the blue, they were already connected in some way to MX and his gang. And they obviously shared the same world view and mission. Then toss in FMD as mentor, and the Dunhams obviously as well.

[Fred Nerks]

Frank Marshall Davis was associated with The Committee for the Protection of the Foreign Born, he was insrumental in preventing the deportation of communists from Hawaii, I believe he would have been known as the person to go to for what-ever documents one might need to suit ones ends...

http://keywiki.org/index.php/Frank_Marshall_Davis

“...Davis and the Committee for Protection of Foreign Born
One of the longest lived Communist Party USA fronts was the American Committee for Protection of Foreign Born . Active from 1935 until 1980, the ACFPFB was charged with preventing foreign born communists such Davis’s friend ILWU leader Harry Bridges from deportation.

Davis was a long time supporter of the ACFPFB, apparently at least until 1973, three years after meeting the young Barack Obama...

~

Then there are the known Chicago associations - for one, Richard Wright, who accompanied Malcolm X on his first trip to the Middle East in 1959; Richard Wright and FMD knew each other and worked together in Chicago before FMD moved to Hawaii in 1948.

The KEYWIKI link needs to be saved by anyone serious about research. Trevor Loudon of New Zealand set it up. All one needs to do is enter a name in captial letters into the search function...

[Fred Nerks]

Hop on a bus from Magazine Street to Dale Street and when you get back to the university, you tell your fellow students you’ve just been to visit your son. That seems to be exactly what he did, I know I read it not long ago, but can’t find the link right now, so if anyone else saw that, please put your hand up.
(It could be one of those ‘first you see it then it’s gone’ articles.)

[Fred Nerks]

October 4, 2012
We Have Been Duped: The Story
By Don Wilkie

This author knows you’ve been fooled, but he hasn’t worked out how, he makes the classic error - he can’t make up his mind whether to call her Ann, Anna or Stanley Ann.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/we_have_been_duped_the_story.html

[Fred Nerks]

Sarah Obama Refers to Barack Obama as an Orphan Who Passed Through Her Hands!
Daily Nation ^ | 5/04/2010 | By NATION Correspondent

Posted on Thursday, 6 May 2010 7:04:05 AM by GregNH

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2507422/posts?page=3

Obama’s grandmother throws party!

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/regional/Obamas%20grandmother%20throws%20party%20/-/1070/912088/-/132bh0/-/index.html

Bet you wondered who she meant when she referred to BHO2 as an orphan. Now maybe we know. There’s a ceremony in Luoland...in which a new arrival is passed from hand to hand, by way of acceptance into the clan. Perhaps if she were to recall just when that took place, we might know when the boy the kenyan student brought home with him, arrived in Kenya. I’m thinking sometime after August, 1964.

[little jeremiah]

Since I learned about KEYWIKI, I”ve used a lot. Very useful tool, a lot of work was put into it.

Yes, a network of black racists and communists.

[Fred Nerks]

FOR THE RECORD:

October 30, 2012
Just When Was Obama Born?
By Don Wilkie
It is beyond any reasonable doubt that Neil Abercrombie, Governor of Hawaii, and Ann Dunham’s girlfriends, Susan Blake and Maxine Box, have been telling falsehoods about the President’s origins. It is also beyond any reasonable doubt that there are people within the Obama camp who have managed their fabrications. It now appears that Mary Toutonghi, Ann Dunham’s sometime babysitter in Seattle, was also “managed.”

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/just_when_was_obama_born.html#ixzz2TUoAEf00
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[Seizethecarp]

The following claimed facts establishing Stanley Ann in Seattle in late summer 1961 are cross-corroborated in the article by Don Wilke that Fred Nerks just linked to including the Polk being a combined 1961-1962 edition:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/just_when_was_obama_born.html#ixzz2TUoAEf00

“We now know that Ann and baby moved into Mary’s apartment house in late August or early September 1961. This is confirmed by David Maraniss as well as by Marc Leavipp in the registrar’s office of the University of Washington. Ann is also listed in the 1961-1962 Seattle Polk Directory at the Capitol Hill address.”

[Fred Nerks]

NOTE: THE ADDRESS LISTING IS FOR ANNA OBAMA.

[Fred Nerks]

We Have Been Duped: The Story

EXCERPT:

Careful historian Maraniss might more accurately be described as an "enabling dissembler." By looking at the three versions of the "visit," it is clear that as conflicting facts have been discovered, recollections have been conveniently modified to fit them. From the initial version of a young woman, "crazy in love," stopping off in Seattle in 1961 on her way to see her beloved in Boston, who by the way wouldn't be in Boston for another year, we find out that the "visit" really happened a year later in August 1962 -- and when it becomes clear that Ann moved to Seattle and was never on her way to see her husband in Boston, we wind up with a totally innocuous story reset to 1961 of two friends visiting one afternoon for an amiable chat.

It is clear that people are lying. It is clear they are lying to protect a fraudulent story. It is clear that the official Obama nativity story is bunkum. Those who have orchestrated this cover-up should be ashamed of themselves for trying to fool us.

We should be ashamed of ourselves if we allow them to do it. Read more:

SOURCE LINK

[little jeremiah]

You’ll have to forgive me - I am thick - is she saying the future pres was an orphan? Would that be because his actual mother was not there, just BHO and Ruth?

Slightly different part of this topic - hard to imagine that any of them who knew the young BHO/”David” could think that Zero was the same boy grown up, as there is no resemblence. Even if a person is gone for 20 or more years, still there are many features/skin color/bone structure etc that are totally different. Plus Zero has no Kenyan accent.