Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)

"...and with all of the serious researchers scouring it for family genealogical data it is extremely unlikely that the existence of an older brother, Joseph, would escape worldwide Obama family researchers."

"All the online genealogies I have seen put his birth c. 1950."

"Yes, I am a retired Certified Fraud Examiner (CFE)..."

Yet, you quite obviously know about this page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Barack_Obama, and haven't even looked at all of the research from all of those referenced genealogists?

Such a person would be yet another long lost uncle of Barry’s and would be big news, if found, IMO.

Why do you say that? Are you a genealogist? Many genealogies only list the direct lines and don't even include other siblings. So, do you believe that those other siblings never existed, just because they weren't listed in a genealogy?

I think I have figured out where he’s coming from, it’s not from the point of view of a debater, as a certified fraud examiner, as he keep remining us, and as the result of a period of employment at a high security prison he once wrote about, what he’s doing is treating us as criminals when we write something that he doesn’t agree with.

BRACK OBAMA GREW UP IN KENYA; Says his half brothe

At 1:35 “Growing up with Obama, with Barack”
At 1:52 “Like I said, when they grew up in AFRICA.”
At 4:00 “We talked about…especially the times with his brother, boys on the block years ago.”

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This was a stay uncorroborated hearsay comment reported by one reporter which does NOT rise to support probability of anything, IMO.

Again totally uncorroborated and actually contradicted by ALL available documents, witnesses and pictures.

Yet again the clearly erroneous 50-year-old memory that has been hearsay-reported by a reporter is being used to make a claim that is refuted by ALL verifiable documents and witnesses.

Thanx for the warning but I have TrollBeGone and can't see those posts... ;-}

To: Seizethecarp

The posting of this kind of crap makes FR look sick.

It's not even comic relief as it isn't even funny.

Is someone this desperate to adorn our posting pages with garbage?

•At 1:35 “Growing up with Obama, with Barack”
•At 1:52 “Like I said, when they grew up in AFRICA.”
•At 4:00 “We talked about…especially the times with his brother, boys on the block years ago.”

Do you get it now? Who do you think Malik was talking about? He was so concerned about making certain we understood that his 'brother' was the POTUS, he quite simple mindedly told the interviewer that the son of the kenyan student and Anna grew up in Kenya - in fact, he was there in the same house in Nairobi with Malik and Auma - the period in which Ruth told Sally Jacobs there were so many people living in the house she didn't know all their names. Did she forget the mythical 'David'?

Malik, Auma and Barack Hussein Obama were all of a similar age, they went to school together, they played together, and as Malik says, they grew up together. And when the father died, the young man attended his father's funeral...

Malik also told someone that Barack taught school in Uganda. Just which Barack might that have been? Not the one who was at college in the US, nor the broken, alcoholic wreck who killed himself crashing into a tree.

That dark boy grew up in Kenya, he had a life, he was given a scholarship by his relative Jaromogi Oginga Odinga and attended the Lumumba University in Moscow for almost a decade, as he said he did.

Who was the 31 year old law student interviewed in Moscow in 1992...remember him? How did his nationality pop up as Equatorial Guinea on the background check for Barack Obama, with a birthday of January 8, 1961?

FOREIGN STUDENTS STUCK IN MOSCOW

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Monday, May 13, 2013 2:42:07 PM · 9 of 29
Seizethecarp to MestaMachine

WaPo take on Barry’s Benghazi talking point “sideshow” comment...

Obama dismisses criticism of Benghazi talking points as ‘side show’
Monday, May 13, 2013 2:27:32 PM · 1 of 29
Seizethecarp

More pathetic and vile dissembling...

The caption says it all.

Jaramogi Odinga Oginga, once-upon-a-time teacher at the school at Maseno, attended by Joseph/Yusuf and Barack/Berwick Obama. Pictured here beneath the portrait of Patrice Lumumumba at the university named after him in Moscow, to which the USSR gave scholarships for africans to attend, amongst these scholarship students was one 'Roman' Obama who, as a 31 year old law student, was interviewed in 1992. Roman at interview, said he had been at the univerity for 'almost a decade' - which means he arrived there in 1983 approx. From Equatorial Guinea?

Now Note Well. When the interview was reprinted a few days later, the Chicago Tribune focused on an entirely different student:

When Yadate Debrework came here six years ago to study international law, the world had barely heard of Mikhail Gorbachev, there was still a country called the Soviet Union, and the young Ethiopian had enough money to survive. "I can't even afford to go home," said the 31-year-old graduate student. He will complete his studies at the Patrice Lumumba University this summer and literally does not have the fare back to Ethiopia.

Now compare the above to the original article reprinted in the Seattle Times:

MOSCOW - For nearly a decade, Roman Obama's life at Patrice Lumumba University was almost paradise. He studied for free and got warm clothes and cheap airline tickets that let him see the world. "We had so many possibilities. Maybe it was not a luxurious life, but we could travel and do things," said Obama, 31, a law student from Equatorial Guinea.

WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT?

Very interesting.

Yes, Barack Hussein Obama did grow up in Kenya.

But the guy in the WH using his name didn’t.

A gigantic round of standing ovation applause to the wonderful research you and whoever helped put together.

The tide is turning, I am sure of it.

I think you got it. He left Kenya to go to the Patrice Lumumba University of Moscow after he attended the funeral of his father, he was interviewed in 1992 and he couldn't go back to where he came from.

Why not?

Could it be because Stanley Ann Dunham and zero had been to the village after the old man's death in 1982, and introduced themselves as the wife of the kenyan student and his son, born in Hawaii?

Remember Kezia saying, when she first met Stanley Ann Dunham, she was like a sister to me

...The tide is turning, I am sure of it.

That's because you are an optimist.

Prime Minister Raila Odinga

So, ghosts drifted into my study last weekend. They came and my view shifted to a Kenya of thirty-five years ago. What a strange name it seemed to me that day in September of 1974—Oginga Odinga.

I sat in the bar of the New Stanley, eyes shot with red, new worry lines cut into my face, spirit thin as a rail. A victim of too much reality—too much....Africa. I was loitering a final few days in Nairobi when a messenger appeared. A young, sweaty Luo man dressed in a cheap suit asked if I were Gabelhouse. His eyes darted between my government handlers: Ricki and Muneje. Despite the presence of the Government minders, the Luo claimed that the first Vice President of Kenya, Oginga Odinga, wanted to meet with me and any of the other Americans in our party. After making his invitation, the Luo man avoided looking at Ricki and Muneje—staring intently at me—imploringly....hopeful. Ricki leaned across the table and whispered in my ear that it was not a good idea to meet with this Odinga. He told me how he was recently jailed for treasonous acts and was a dangerous rebel who opposed Kenya’s first President Jomo Kenyatta. Ricki fervently told me to avoid the meeting—told me that I may even face jail by just meeting with this Odinga.

Seems Odinga had seen me in a Daily Nation newspaper article that had touted our expeditionary accomplishments during our months in-country. In reality, he saw there were Americans in town and he wanted to have the ear of ANY American. Seems he had a story to tell.

I knocked back my Tusker beer, and despite Ricki’s protests, I agreed to the meet. Joe wanted to come, too.

We walked through Uhuru Park and past the Intercontinental Hotel. It seemed that many of the street people were staring at us—two Americans—probably expats from our dress and the weariness that had claimed our eyes. And with us, a cheap-suited Luo who continually looked over his shoulders. For me it seemed surreal and as though it were happening to someone else. After months in the bloody belly of Africa, my world had ceased to exist. Then, Africa appeared to me not as a tourist destination but for what it was: jackal nations fighting for scraps in a world defined by death.

We turned down the street and passed the Hotel Tropic which would some years later, offer me refuge from a violent coup-de-tat. We found our way into a second-floor apartment building that, for Kenya, was probably considered upper middle class. However, the apartment was grim. Despite the rough ambiance, the Luo man who greeted us was quite impressive as he stood, his broad, Luo face smiling. He offered us his hand. Three warm bottles of Fanta orange drink sat on a side table along with three filmy glasses.

The man was a believer. And he was on fire with his belief. We sat on a thread-bare sofa in an apartment that overlooked the Jevanji Gardens. The scent of curry and vindaloo competed with the offerings of charcoal braziers full of corn on the street below.

Odinga sat on the edge of his chair and leaned forward, facing Joe and I. He told us of his visit to America and how American Freedom Fighters—civil rights activists had secretly visited with him in Atlanta as he was under State Department security control. He told us how the famous American Freedom Fighter, Malcom X had embraced him (Odinga) and that there was even a song written in America called, “Oginga Odinga of Kenya.”

http://www.gabelhouse.com/blog-jan-jun-09.htm

Odinga says Obama is his cousin

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To: edge919

Kenya election: Vote-counting begins in crucial poll

03/08/2013 9:02:01 PM PST · 8 of 9
Rome2000 to cunning_fish

Meet Fidel Castro Odinga
Yes, his complete name is Fidel Castro Odinga. He is the eldest son of Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga and a first cousin to Barack Hussein Obama. The late Obama Sr. was the prime minister's maternal uncle. Although Obama Sr. was educated at Harvard and Odinga in East Germany, uncle and nephew were friends and political allies.
Today it is Barack Obama and Raila Odinga who have formed a transcontinental political alliance. In fact, Senator Obama, in an unprecedented breech of protocal, went to Kenya in 2006 to campaign on his cousin's behalf in that country's presidential election.
Raila lost the election when a secret pact was revealed with Kenya's Muslim Brotherhood to institute sharia law in all the country's courts in exchange for their support of his candidacy. This is all the more remarkable because it is Christianity (66%), not Islam (10%), which is the largest religion in Kenya, and English common law, not the Koran, which is the basis for its legal system. Or, perhaps, it is not so remarkable, after all, since both the Odingas and Obamas belong to the 10 percent.
Although not an observant Muslim, Odinga does represent Moammar Qaffafy's oil interests in southern Africa, which may better explain his willingness to tranform his non-Muslim country into a Muslim state as Idi Amin did in Uganda when he was the recipient of the colonel's largesse 30 years ago.
Odinga's connection to Barack Obama, however, has proved more useful in his political career than Qadaffy's billions. It was in the expectation of Obama's election as president, and to ingratiate himself to him, that Odinga's political rival offered him the premiership as a consolation prize.
When Prime Minister Odinga named his son "Fidel Castro," he broke with Kenyan tradition as he should have named him for the boy's grandfather Oginga Odinga (the Kenyan "Fidel Castro"), a Marxist-Leninist revolutionary who led an unsuccessful coup to topple the government of Kenya on behalf of the Soviets.
It is not known whether Oginga Odinga's brother-in-law, Obama Sr., was involved in the coup, though given the tribal character of politics in Kenya it would be difficult to imagine that he wasn't at least aware of it or wouldn't have profited by it even if he didn't contribute to it. Indeed, that may have been the reason for Obama Sr.'s failed political career in Kenya.
It is certainly ironic that Obama Sr.'s star eclipsed because of his relationship to Oginga Odinga, whereas his son Raila's rose because of his connection to Obama Jr.
We wonder how things might have turned out if Obama Sr., the Harvard-trained economist, had followed his cousin's example and named his American-born son "John Maynard Keynes Obama." Posted by Manuel A.Tellechea

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Kenya election: Vote-counting begins in crucial poll

03/08/2013 8:54:49 PM PST · 7 of 9
Rome2000 to Olog-hai

They already killed 15 with machetes.
Of course, the communist foreigner in the WH was busy over there in 2006 campaigning for his cousin Odinga, who has a son named Fidel Castro Odinga.
This country has turned into a Twilight Zone episode.

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Brennan takes oath on draft Constitution—without Bill of Rights

03/08/2013 8:33:44 PM PST · 29 of 42
2ndDivisionVet to Rome2000

Instead, they’d disenfranchise veterans and the Kulaks.

21 posted on 03/14/2013 10:19:03 PM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)

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To: Rome2000

Raila lost the election when a secret pact was revealed with Kenya's Muslim Brotherhood to institute sharia law in all the country's courts in exchange for their support of his candidacy.

Confirming all the worst fears about Obama....

26 posted on 03/14/2013 11:43:37 PM PDT by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)

...Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, who died of cancer in 1995, earned her doctorate at the University of Hawai'i while helping craftsmen in Indonesia and Africa get small loans to improve their lives and their villages, and ended up becoming an expert in "micro lending."
snip
...Dewey later traveled with Dunham to the same village in Kenya where Obama's father came from and — decades later — saw a video of Obama in the same village near a building that arranged micro loans...

That article needs to be parsed carefully, Alice Dewey is as slippery as a bucket full of eels. Our interpretation was, Alice also accompanied Stanley Ann Dunham and zero on that first visit to Kenya, after the death of the kenyan student in 1982.

There's been no record of Stanley Ann Dunham 'working' in Africa - or Kenya - that we could find.

Source

...Odinga's connection to Barack Obama, however, has proved more useful in his political career than Qadaffy's billions. It was in the expectation of Obama's election as president, and to ingratiate himself to him, that Odinga's political rival offered him the premiership as a consolation prize...

And meanwhile the original, the one and only Barack Hussein Obama, born in January 1961, now known as Roman Obama Ekua, (Ekua translates to pushed or shoved aside in swahili) is shown as an Administration Official for the Consul of Equatorial Guinea, in Accra, Ghana.

AND from December, 2009:

Tripoli - The third wife of the grandfather of US President Barack Obama was in 'good health' after undergoing medical checkups in the Libyan capital Tripoli, state-run television reported Thursday.

Kenyan citizen Sarah Ogwel Obama, aged 87, arrived in Tripoli earlier this week and was received by Libyan leader Moammer Gaddafi, who holds the rotating position of chairman of the African Union.

Source

Dictator's friend: Malik Obama pictured with the Colonel Gaddafi of Libya. Malik revealed that he tried to intervene in American's handling of the Libya struggle through his brother but Barack 'wasn't interested'

Kenya election: Vote-counting begins in crucial poll

Kenya election: Vote-counting begins in crucial poll

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