Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)

Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

[Seizethecarp]

"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland

The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.

In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?

Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.

For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!

Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.

For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.

The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?

In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.

Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.

[Fred Nerks]

How did he?

My guess is, he used the BC that belonged to Barack Hussein Obama 11 who was born in January, his mother’s maiden name was Ann/Anne/Anna ‘Someone’ and she’s the woman who was the USC who was separated from the kenyan student, and was living in the Philippines.

And if Neil Abercrombie wasn’t aware of it that the girl he refers to as Ann WASN’T STANLEY ANN DUNHAM...he sure is aware of it now.

[Fred Nerks]

ADOPTION MEMO SMELLS:

Someone at the Department of Homeland Security has some explaining to do.

On July 7, Boston Globe reporter Sally Jacobs wrote an article for Boston.com whose headline teased the reader with bombshells to come, "Father spoke of having Obama adopted."

The article was written to help promote her new book, The Other Barack: The Bold and Reckless Life of President Obama's Father, due to be released on July 11.

Jacobs pulls her information from one of a batch of INS documents she received two years ago, specifically an April 12, 1961, memo written by an official in the Honolulu office of the INS named Lyle H. Dahling. The memo is visible in miniature on her July 7 article.

For the record, the Immigration and Naturalization Service was folded into the Department of Homeland Security in 2003.

Wrote Dahling in the memo, ""Subject got his USC wife 'Hapai' and although they were married they do not live together and Miss Dunham is making arrangements with the Salvation Army to give the baby away.''

The subject was Barack Obama Sr. "Hapai" apparently is Hawaiian for pregnant, and "USC" is shorthand for "United States citizen." This information was volunteered by Barack Obama, Sr. There is no evidence it was ever verified by the INS.

For nearly two years, Jacobs uniquely possessed this information and sat on it. This raises some ethical questions on its own, but more questions would surface with the release of these same documents in April 2011 to Heather Smathers, a young reporter for the weekly Arizona Independent.

Although Smathers received the same April 12 memo, she did not report on the potential adoption. The reason for Smathers' silence was simple enough: the critical sentence had been redacted on the document she received.

ON APRIL 4, 1961, THE CHILD MARY BABYSAT FOR ANNA OBAMA WOULD HAVE BEEN FOUR MONTHS OF AGE. AS IT IS DIFFICULT TO IMAGE AN UNBORN CHILD BEING GIVEN UP FOR ADOPTION, IT SEEMS OBVIOUS THE CHILD REFERRED TO IN THAT MEMO WAS NOT ZERO, WHOSE BIRTH (to unknown parents)WAS SEVERAL MONTHS IN THE FUTURE AT THAT TIME.

[Fred Nerks]

And if he did use that birth certificate to obtain a driver's licence, that might just be what explains how the background check popped up with the data that revealed the January 8, 1961 birthdate for someone from Equatorial Guinea.

And we do all remember who that was, don't we?

[Fred Nerks]

The Three Musketeers. The kenyan student photographed with his brother Omar Onyango probably around 1971, and Roman Obama, the 31 year old Law Student interviewed in Moscow in 1992, and at home in Accra Ghana, where until recently, he was an adminsitration official for the Consul of Equatorial Guinea.

[little jeremiah]

I always feel sorry for Roman. So many victims in this tale.

[Fred Nerks]

Yep. Victims. Hundreds of millions of them before this sorry saga is over. Don’t feel sorry for him, he knows who he is and he’s not having any nightmares about it. Last seen, he was in Washington DC with the President of Equatorial Guinea.

http://www.france24.com/en/20120804-police-seize-paris-mansion-guinea-presidential-son-playboy-obiang-arrest

excerpt:

The French warrant means Obiang is barred from entering France and may also face travel restrictions in his own country.

He faces similar money-laundering charges in the United States, where he owns property estimated to be worth several tens of millions of dollars.

Obiang, whose full name is Teodoro Nguema Obiang Mangue, is frequently seen enjoying an extravagant lifestyle abroad, complete with multi-million dollar mansions, jets and yachts.

His father, President Teodoro Obiang, has ruled the former Spanish colony for more than three decades and has been widely condemned by rights groups as one of the world’s most corrupt leaders.

http://world.time.com/2012/07/16/teodorin-obiang-the-dictators-son-with-a-malibu-mansion-and-a-warrant-for-his-arrest/

excerpt:

Despite the fury of human-rights organizations and Western diplomats, Teodorin’s father, President Teodoro Obiang Nguema, is due to arrive in the French capital on Tuesday to present a life-sciences award at the U.N.’s cultural agency, UNESCO. The African leader has given UNESCO $3 million over five years for the award. President Obiang, 70, has ruled Equatorial Guinea for more than 32 years, since overthrowing his uncle in 1979. Enraged by UNESCO’s decision, U.S. and E.U. diplomats have said they intend to boycott Tuesday’s event. “We have consistently and adamantly objected to this particular prize,” said U.S. ambassador to UNESCO David Killion in a statement, citing Equatorial Guinea’s record of human-rights abuses.

Yet, prizes aside, there is a new chill against the Obiangs, who for decades have been able to amass fortunes outside their country.

After years of trying to track Teodorin’s wealth, the U.S. Department of Justice finally filed a lawsuit last month in a California court alleging massive money-laundering and listing, among the eye-popping catalog of assets, his $35 million Malibu mansion — a 1,400-sq-m sprawl off the Pacific Coast Highway with a four-hole golf course, tennis court and two swimming pools. That’s just one of the acquisitions he’s made in the U.S. His first trip to California was in 1991, paid for by a U.S. oil company called Walter Oil & Gas Corp., when he was 20, to study at Pepperdine University (he dropped out after five months), according to the lawsuit. The U.S. complaint also lists, among Teodorin’s assets, a fleet of luxury cars, including a 2011 Ferrari worth about $532,000 and a $494,000 collection of Michael Jackson memorabilia allegedly bought at auction after the singer’s death, including seven life-size statues of the singer and a white glove from Jackson’s 1986 Bad Tour...

(Don’t cry for me Equatorial Guinea?)

[GregNH]

Massachusetts was very strict back then when it came to obtaining an official document such as a drivers license. I lost my wallet once and went to the registry of motor vehicles to get a replacement license and they asked for a BC. I went to City Hall to get a BC and they asked me an ID.....it took over week of back and forth and I finally had to bring my mother down to swear I was her son!

So if he had all these tickets in HIS name then he had to present an original BC with his name and other official documents showing his signature to obtain the drivers license in the first place.

[little jeremiah]

Thanks for the rest of the story.

Africa could be a nice place if it weren't for their fiends-from-hell rulesr. Of course, if the population aren't any more ethical, the next one who takes the place of any of them will turn out to be just as evil and corrupt. In order to change one's heart, one has to desire to do so, and see the need. And then the evil in one's own heart can be destroyed.

And, some people just need killing. It's the simple truth.

"If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956

[little jeremiah]

That’s very interesting.

[LucyT]

Updates.

Check out photos at #1,123 again.

Then, begin at # 1,157 and read through # 1,167.

Thanks, Brown Deer.

[GregNH]

PS to 1167. This happened in the early 80’s. I was born and raised in Malden MA.

[Fred Nerks]

...So if he had all these tickets in HIS name then he had to present an original BC with his name and other official documents showing his signature to obtain the drivers license in the first place.

What would be the very first time in your life that a birth certificate would be needed to be shown? In the US in 1961? Immunisation...kindergarten...?

[GregNH]

Well you bring up immunization. In dreams he said his BC was with his immunization papers, or something to that effect. At the time I said “we don’t get immunized with BC in hand.” In other words we need a BC to “enter” the school system be it kindergarten or 1st grade, whatever. Once in the school system your BC is no longer needed but we get immunized for different things along the way. TB shot in 1st grade, another shot later on, and so forth. But your mom produced the BC to get you into the system. The immunization records stayed in the school system. My mom didn’t have a pile of immunization records because the school system were the entity that needed them and since they administered the shot they kept the records. But! If you were to enter the country as a child you have to produce your BC and your immunization records before you can enter the school system.

The first time in needed my BC besides school was to play Little League baseball. The second time was to get a drivers license.

[Fred Nerks]

If he was at kindergarten in Hawaii, what-ever birth certificate was provided to the court at the time of the divorce would have been used, but as the kindergarten records have been 'lost' that's where the trail runs cold.

It might be more useful to try and find who and when the child named after the kenyan student was removed from the US.

[Spunky]

I see it is a law NOW in WA State to show a birth certificate and immunization records but I don't know when that became a law.

I have lived in WA all my life except when I was born and evidently my parents never paid to get a birth certificate for me because they never had one in their possession so therefore I never had one. When I reached SS age I had to send to get a certified copy of it. So I went ALL the way through school never showing one. Also I do not recall ever showing my children's birth certificates to register them in school. Two were born in the late 50's and one in the mid 60's. I never had a certified BC for them as I was so naïve I thought the ones the hospital gave me with their cute footprints on it was their BC. Now maybe I showed that to their school, but I don't remember.

[Fred Nerks]

Can anyone throw any light on the question; how could Anna Obama appear in the 1961 Polk directory for 1961 if she didn't show up in Seattle until August, 1961?

AND WHO AND HOW WAS IT ESTABLISHED THAT ANNA OBAMA WAS STANLEY ANN DUNHAM? HOW DID THE 'RESEARCHERS' CONCLUDE THE CHILD WHO WAS SEVEN MONTHS OLD WHEN MARY BABYSAT WAS ZERO?

The state archives has several research tools including Polk directories – guides similar to phone books that listed the name and address of Seattle residents back to the 1870s. This one from 1961 helped researchers determine where President Barack Obama lived with his mother when she was in Seattle. In addition to the state archives branch at Bellevue Community College, some Polk directories are available at the Seattle Public Library, which also has some Seattle city directories searchable online.

Photo: Puget Sound Regional Branch Of The Washington State Archives

SOURCE http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/State-archive-photos-can-make-great-holiday-gifts-2263233.php#photo-1747117

[Spunky]

"Can anyone throw any light on the question; how could Anna Obama appear in the 1961 Polk directory for 1961 if she didn't show up in Seattle until August, 1961?"

I would assume the Polk directory is a directory of all people living in the area in a given year. So in order to show who lived in the area for all of 1961 ect; they would have to publish the directory at the end of each year. I tried to do a search to find out when they were published but I was unable to.

[Fred Nerks]

So it seems you are saying that the 1961 directory was distributed at the end of 1961 so that people could look through it in 1962 and be able to see who lived where - the year before?

What was the purpose of the Polk directory?

I thought is was some kind of marketing tool. Publishing information that was outdated by the time the book was distributed, wouldn’t that make it almost useless?

[Fred Nerks]

In addition to the Chamber of Commerce Office, copies of the Polk directory are placed in the public library, emergency services emergency services Emergency care ‘…services …necessary to prevent death or serious impairment of health and, because of the danger to life or health, require the use of the most accessible hospital available and equipped to furnish those services’ headquarters and medical facilities. They are also purchased by businesses and professional and charitable organizations.

The City Directory Division publishes more than 1,000 city directories covering some 6,500 communities in the United States and Canada. The directories contain information gathered from approximately 30 million interviews conducted annually door-to-door and through follow-up telephone interviews.

Polk is a privately held firm founded in Detroit in 1870. Polk serves the information needs of companies around the world as a direct marketing resource; a supplier of demographic and lifestyle data and database marketing services; a statistician for the motor vehicle industry; publisher of city directories; a provider of geographic information systems; and one of the world’s largest manufacturers of advertising specialties. Polk employs more than 3,000 people in facilities around the world including the United States, England, Germany, Australia and Barbados.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/POLK%3A+CITY+DIRECTORY+REORGANIZATION-a017593539

And of course none of that tells us when, if you moved into an apartment in Seattle in say, late 1960, or January 1961, you could expect to see your name listed in the current Polk for 1961. Nor does it tell you when the directory described as the Polk for 1961 was actually distributed.

[Seizethecarp]

It was the Polk 1961-62 directory, NOT the 1961 directory.

http://www.wnd.com/2010/01/120990/

“The Polk city street directory for Seattle in 1961-1962 has Obama’s mother listed as a student living at 516 13th Ave. E., apartment 2, in Seattle’s Capitol Hill area, where babysitter Mary Toutonghi reported Obama’s mother attended night classes at the university that began at 4:30 p.m., as part of her extension school curriculum.”