Posted on 06/07/2011 6:45:09 PM PDT by conservativegramma
Typeface analysis shows images come from different machines
The online image of a Hawaiian "Certificate of Live Birth" was trumpeted by the White House when it was released on April 27 as "proof positive" that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
Now an expert in typefaces and typography says it sure was "proof," but not of what the White House would have wanted.
Paul Irey, a retired professional typographer with 50 years experience in his business, has says an analysis of the typefaces used in the Barack Obama's long-form birth certificate that the White House released on April 27 reveals it absolutely to be a forgery.
"My analysis proves beyond a doubt that it would be impossible for the different letters that appear in the Obama birth certificate to have been typed by one typewriter," Irey told WND.
"Typewriters in 1961 could not change the size and shape of a letter on the fly like that," he said. "This document is definitely a forgery."
Irey acknowledges that an IBM Selectric typewriter could have produced different typefaces in a given document, but only if the Selectric ball was changed every time a different typeface letter was struck which would be unlikely to have been done to produce the word "Student," for example, that had two different styles of the lower case "t."
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Nice non-sequitor, or is it straw man?
The statement has been made that only 2nd generation Americans are citizens. Your argument misstates that whole point, as ONLY the President is required to be an NBC, whereas representatives and senators are required to be citizens.
Obama Sr’s age and race were probably supplied by Stanley Ann or perhaps her mother. Guess whoever supplied it didn’t know his actual age; and especially if it was his “racist” grandmother she probably didn’t want to list his race as “negro.” Either way it doesn’t mean the document was forged. And neither does a few “anomalies” on the copied, digitized document.
And if you see me sporting new gold watches, new diamond rings and buying a million dollar home, you’ll know I was paid to offer said opinion.
Nice try to sping your clear slam on the SCOTUS intervention into demigod Gore’s election. Perhaps you’d like to spittle forth on why you chose to capitalize ‘did’ in your little slip of mind? Spin some more for us.
Is Soebarkah a different name (apart from spelling) than Soetoro? If so I wasn't aware that there was suspicion that it signified a different person than Lolo Soetoro.
Only a look at the actual source documents at the HDOH will ever settle it.
Whoever said that? The assumption was that the clerk wrote it because it was what he or she was told. The presumed father didn't have to be there for the clerk to be told that. Indeed, the explanation works better if he wasn't there. If he was, perhaps the clerk would have written "Negro" or "Colored" rather than "African".
I find it odd that so many columns and rows are out of alignment on this document, yet not so on the birth certificates of others that were supposedly filled out on the exact same day and in the exact same hospital.
Look at the top line of Gretchen Nordyke's birth certificate. "Gretchen" is a little lower than "Carter Nordyke." Was that a fake, too? Maybe her real first name was different.
I really don't care what you might "think" is more likely. What I do know is that the document is a fraud.
I asked about what you think. But apparently you don't "think" -- you "know". You're probably half-right.
Have you grown up yet?
Grown-ups don't think that sort of response is an argument or a witty or wise rejoinder.
At 65, this grown-up finds your duplicity curiously juvenile given the quoted little jibe you offered to which the response was made regarding growing up.
Have you really never used a manual typewriter? You've never had the carriage slip a little while you were typing a line? You never filled out a form and came back to finish a line and not quite lined up with what you typed earlier? You never wondered if you were on the right line and jiggled the knob that moved you down the page? You grew up after all that? You must be one lucky person.
That might be a jibe, but I didn't use "grew up" in any dismissive sense. I meant that "Brown Deer" was probably born after all that trouble. More power to him if he was. His response about my "growing up" was all his own -- and pretty juvenile.
Yeah, it all makes so much sense now ... *
So you are saying the clerk guessed at the age on her own? How about the mother or grandmother guessing at the age or just repeating what they thought was the truth? You have a problem considering possibilities that don't support the conclusions that you've already reached.
BS, no it's not!
Look at an image of the actual document. "Gretchen" is closer to the line than "Carter Nordyke."
You can see something similar with the parents' names and races: "Robert" looks higher than "Nordyke." "Eleanor" is further from the line than "Caucasian." If you want to take out your microscope and count pixels go ahead. That may have something to do with being bound in a book, but it happened a lot in old forms that the names didn't line up as exactly as they do on today's computer forms.
Another thing that stretches credulity is why they haven't allowed an independent forensic or archival document specialist examine the originals. Why not do that and resolve a great part of speculation as to a conspiracy?
No, it's not smaller. What has happened is one of three things: 1) the paper - look closely at the paper to determine if there is a wrinkle or other dimple at the small n. What happens is the hammer or ball isn't able to strike the ink ribbon smoothly so the letter comes out lighter, thinner, or there's a portion that didn't strike. 2) the ribbon - there may have been a wrinkle in the ribbon or a spot where the ink didn't distribute evenly. Many times you could re-ink the ribbon or if it didn't need re-inking, you would just rewind it to use it again resulting in partial letters where there was less ink. 3) the roller - there may be a very slight dimple or scratch on the roller so that when the hammer or ball struck the paper, it didn't have a solid and smooth roller at that particular letter. 4) the hammer - ok, so here's a 4th but it's only for hammers. If the typist was typing to quickly for a particular machine, the hammers would sometimes lock around each other. She would have to stop and undo them. This is one way that they get bent making the letters slightly postitioned differently.
Oh, good grief! Apparently you're a hard core liberal who has no respect for the rule of law.
What on earth are you two babbling about?
At no point did I slam the SCOTUS intervention in Bush v Gore. Your grasping at straws and making a fools of yourselves. I put "meddle" in quotes only because the poster I responded to (Arthur Wildfire! March) used the word in his incorrect assertion that the courts won't "meddle" (his exact words) in the election process. The point I made was quite clearly that if the courts have a real case, not birther nonsense, they will take it and rule on it. Bush v Gore was such an event as the court DID correctly take the case and DID correctly rule on it.
Further, the poster I was responding to was linking a laughable WND article that supposedly claimed Clarence Thomas and the SCOTUS were "evading" ruling on the eligibility issue. The story was entirely bogus as Thomas wasn't even talking about Hussein's eligibility and was in fact just joking around with a subcommittee chairman.
Calling people who think your birther claims are nonsense hard core liberals and obots is what make some of you people especially obnoxious and annoying. Your just going to have to accept that most people don't agree with you. Your views are in the minority and if you want to avoid alienating every last person I'd suggest try making your points without accusing everyone else of being secret leftists.
Nice save. /s
And I notice the numeric digits are somewhat larger than the alpha, even larger than the capitalized letters, and this makes the bottoms lower than the alpha text on the same lines. And the words are centered in the fields (sometimes) and do not line up perfectly (very similar to the Obama document). And some of the letters are not perfectly formed and some are lighter than the others.
This document must be a forgery.
Those who do not defend the Constitution ( all of it) are leftists.
So are you suggesting that those who do not believe the birther conspiracy theories are leftists?
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