Posted on 05/16/2011 11:33:00 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
I'd never thought I'd see the day when conservatives fully embrace affirmative action. The myopic and destructive support for Cain for President is TOTALLY based on the simple fact that he's an articulate black man and self-made businessman, so conservatives can say, "See! See! We're not racists, we love black guys too!" But so was bland boring white guy John Cox, a businessman who ran for President in 2008, also without having zero experience in elective office. So where was the support for him? Please spare me the inevitable BS about how you'd rather support a businessman (or use the old pick names out of the telephone analogy) than "career politicians." I am not talking about lifelong bureaucrats serving in departments or agencies, I am clearly talking about elective office. Herman Cain has ZIPPO, NADA, ZERO experience in public office and the simple fact of the matter is that in the modern political era, the American people has overwhelmingly looked to state executives (Governors), retired or military Commanders, or Senators who still had some lower-level executive or business experience for President. Now, if Cain would have won his Senate race in 2004 or at least had been Mayor of Atlanta and then won a Congressional seat and then ran for the Presidency, then this vanity post would be moot and I would be a likely supporter (although his age would have been an issue). I have no problems with Herman Cain, I admire his background, his intelligence, his business acumen, but right now to support him for the Presidency would be a huge mistake. Number of factors why Cain shouldn't run and he if does, he shouldn't be supported: AGE: Herman Cain is 65 years old. The GOP has a stable of younger, more dynamic stars on the rise that refutes the narrative that they're not the same-old party of old guys. It's time for a new generation of leaders, and Cain was needed 10 years ago. POLITICAL EXPERIENCE: No businessman, Congresscritter, and only 2 Senators in the modern era have ever won the White House. It is EXTREMELY (no pun intended) difficult for a businessman off the streets to run for President because the perception is that the American people have always supported someone who at least won elective office first. Herman Cain has never held elective office and that makes him a non-starter. MEDIA SPOTLIGHT: Look, let's get serious folks. Herman Cain is not photo-genic, and you know what I mean. The liberal media and entertainment industry will reduce him to a caricature and completely ignore the issues, all the while spotlighting the youthfulness of Obama. Herman Cain is not electable folks. That's not to say he doesn't have a role in the election. He should surely be a spokesman for the GOP or serve on some type of conservative outreach panel talking to inner-city blacks about how destructive liberal policies are, or he should have even been GOP Chairman instead of the disastrous Steele. All Cain will do is split the conservative vote and we get another RINO for the GOP nominee.
RE: I’d never thought I’d see the day when conservatives fully embrace affirmative action. The myopic and destructive support for Cain for President is TOTALLY based on the simple fact that he’s an articulate black man and self-made businessman, so conservatives can say, “See! See! We’re not racists, we love black guys too!”
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Sorry my friend, I disagree with your analysis.
I would support Herman Cain BECAUSE HE BESTS ARTICULATES WHAT I BELIEVE IN. Not only that, compared to Obama, he stands as a person who has actually ACCOMPLISHED something — TURNED AROUND TWO BUSINESSES TO MAKE THEM PROFITABLE.
That’s saying more about his executive abilities than being a community rabble rouser. His color is of NO CONSEQUENCE WHATSOEVER. He could be Yellow, Red, Brown or even Green for all I care.
Look at the current crop of people who have announced their intentions for running — Newt, Ron Paul, Romney, Ric Santorum, Gary Johnson, Tim Pawlenty, Michelle Bachmann.
Scan the entire lot and look at their backgrounds and the issues they articulate and they policies they have espoused or implemented, do you honestly believe based on their backgrounds, any of them can be better than Herman Cain?
Other than Michelle Bachmann, I can’t see anyone on this list who I can be enthusiastic about.
BULL S***!. People are supporting him because he is a successful businessman who isn't afraid to actually fight, PC, political talking points be damned. He is the only candidate of the declared bunch who actually has some balls and speaks a real Conservative message. It is pretty disgusting you are accusing FReepers of being racist.
Or a governorship, apparently. Give me an example of when Cain folded like a cheap suit and then we'll look at your candidate.
Mr. Cain’s background seems perfectly suited leading our country out of its fiscal abyss.
Difference: Ike turned out to be a pretty good president. After all, HIS credentials were valid and his skills very applicable to the presidency. Osama doesn't have a clue how to run jack squat, and neither does anyone around him.
If David Petreus were willing to make the penultimate sacrifice and make a run for it, he would probably do very well. He's no Ike, but he's made a reputation for success that Americans would be attracted to. Moreover, he has a nice smile and doesn't look too hardcore, like McChrystal does and he knows how not to put his foot in his mouth.
So you like the resumes of Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich better?
Given the performance of much of the GOP, having a thin resume is probably an advantage.
I first learned of Herman Cain when he subbed for Neal Boortz on the radio (no visuals there); his ideas and his ability to answer questions about economics and finances so that normal people could understand was what impressed me.
I’ll be listening to him and to anyone else aside from Gingrich, Paul and Romney.
You mean like the ones that have sold our kids and their kids future?
No thanks.
It's time for someone who knows HOW to run a business to run the US ECONOMY like a business, instead of using it for a personal piggy bank.
Oh you can bank on that without a doubt! I agree with your statements pretty much.
Though Cain surely is a patriotI cannot see him as President in the eyes of the general public overall. He will not get the youth vote, which is essential, though too many think not. Barry has them rising up already "are you In" cmpaign currently in fast mode, and he appeals to their naivety and lack of life experience, let along they've been so indoctrinated in the progressive movement they cannot reason with their own minds. But Cain will not get them...nor the Latino voters who are in Obamas court currently.
I also agree with those stating he is just not ready for the position...managing and running pizza palors is not enough to step into the waters of Washington, let alone the International trade an means of.
I made the distinction between career politicians and someone who has served in some capacity in elective office up thread. It's up to you to figure it out.
As for business experience, I'll argue it is exactly what we need. Business is accountable to keep their books in order, politicians aren't. Business is accountable to show results. Politicians aren't. Business succeed when they reduce expenses, maximize profits, and turn around successful products. Politicians are exactly opposite. The business model of government is to maximize expenses, have negative profits, and are rewarded when what they are selling fails.
All true to some degree. But businesses only affect a certain group of people. Politicians answer to everyone. A guy like Cain cannot sell limited government and less spending to Congress & the people than say a Sarah Palin. He'll get eaten alive by the Democrats and liberal media and will be forced to compromise.
I go back to the definition of insanity because that is exactly what I'm seeing.
Well, let's just run anyone off the street for Presidency. My post also applies to Donald Trump as well. People don't support businessmen for President without having served in public office first. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
I do see your Paultard roots are showing though. Tear down whomever isn't your preferred choice. What I see with most Cain supporters is they would be happy also with a Palin, Bachmann, West or many others and don't tear them down.
Not tearing down anyone. I'm just stating that Cain will split the conservative vote and we get a RINO for the nominee.
What a load of crap.
Sarah Palin would be my first choice. Herman Cain my second.
If he runs and she doesn’t, I will be voting for Herman Cain.
Surprised he hasn’t been flamed yet on what is surely the lamest point he made — that our lack of support for John Cox (WTF is THAT?) proves that we’re only supporting Cain cause he’s black.
Gee, where does support for ONE businessman means we’ll support EVERY businessman? Only in the logic of EEE I guess.
That is utter nonsense. So I guess he is a favorite of the Tea Party for the same reason? I guess everyone likes Allen West for the same reason? And I guess we all like Palin because she is a woman? It wouldn't have anything to do with what their stated ideas are? I for one like what Cain has said so far.
The difference is Trump isn't a Conservative and has so much liberal and other baggage, he wouldn't win anyone other than maybe that "No Labels" swishy group. Cain would win Conservatives and could successfully sell the Conservative message to liberals.
Barry didn't have to have "expereince"...the crowd around him though was powerful and got him thru the mechanics of manuvering the walk...the "talk" he already had under his belt. Cain isn't going to make it to the end...though he certainly can raise peoples attention to what matters in our country and is doing just that. Would be all our business owners have Cains's insights.
Don’t be so sure he won’t make it to the end. Check out this headline from another FREEP thread just a few minutes ago:
“64% of GOP Voters See Divide Between Public and Government As Biggest Since the American Revolution”
Sounds to me like folks are yearning for a non office holder to me.
I like Cain and I don’t think support for him is affirmative action but I do agree with you and caww and others on this thread who just don’t think Cain can pull it off.
One of my biggest reservations about him is his health. He’s five years in remission from cancer (in liver and colon). I applaud him for surviving that and wish him all the best but, I’m sorry, that’s some serious baggage.
If we base our decisons on what the liberal media thinks we might as well just quit having elections because all they approve of is a democrat lite.
Oh yes, those experienced elective office holders have done a bang up job haven't they? With all their elective office experience and all. And look what it's got us!!
End the Pain! Vote for Herman Cain! or Sarah Palin : )
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