Posted on 05/16/2011 11:33:00 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
I'd never thought I'd see the day when conservatives fully embrace affirmative action. The myopic and destructive support for Cain for President is TOTALLY based on the simple fact that he's an articulate black man and self-made businessman, so conservatives can say, "See! See! We're not racists, we love black guys too!" But so was bland boring white guy John Cox, a businessman who ran for President in 2008, also without having zero experience in elective office. So where was the support for him? Please spare me the inevitable BS about how you'd rather support a businessman (or use the old pick names out of the telephone analogy) than "career politicians." I am not talking about lifelong bureaucrats serving in departments or agencies, I am clearly talking about elective office. Herman Cain has ZIPPO, NADA, ZERO experience in public office and the simple fact of the matter is that in the modern political era, the American people has overwhelmingly looked to state executives (Governors), retired or military Commanders, or Senators who still had some lower-level executive or business experience for President. Now, if Cain would have won his Senate race in 2004 or at least had been Mayor of Atlanta and then won a Congressional seat and then ran for the Presidency, then this vanity post would be moot and I would be a likely supporter (although his age would have been an issue). I have no problems with Herman Cain, I admire his background, his intelligence, his business acumen, but right now to support him for the Presidency would be a huge mistake. Number of factors why Cain shouldn't run and he if does, he shouldn't be supported: AGE: Herman Cain is 65 years old. The GOP has a stable of younger, more dynamic stars on the rise that refutes the narrative that they're not the same-old party of old guys. It's time for a new generation of leaders, and Cain was needed 10 years ago. POLITICAL EXPERIENCE: No businessman, Congresscritter, and only 2 Senators in the modern era have ever won the White House. It is EXTREMELY (no pun intended) difficult for a businessman off the streets to run for President because the perception is that the American people have always supported someone who at least won elective office first. Herman Cain has never held elective office and that makes him a non-starter. MEDIA SPOTLIGHT: Look, let's get serious folks. Herman Cain is not photo-genic, and you know what I mean. The liberal media and entertainment industry will reduce him to a caricature and completely ignore the issues, all the while spotlighting the youthfulness of Obama. Herman Cain is not electable folks. That's not to say he doesn't have a role in the election. He should surely be a spokesman for the GOP or serve on some type of conservative outreach panel talking to inner-city blacks about how destructive liberal policies are, or he should have even been GOP Chairman instead of the disastrous Steele. All Cain will do is split the conservative vote and we get another RINO for the GOP nominee.
If you didn’t hear him, it is your own fault. He had his own radio program and was pretty vocal about all those things. He also subbed for Neil Boortz and was a guest on his program.
>>> Until now I never heard Cain speak out during the 2 years that Obama was destroying this country. Some balls. Do you need a microscope? >>>
Oh, NOW I get it. If EEE didn’t hear it, then it didn’t happen. Doggone. Glad we got that settled. /s
FTR, Cain and Palin are almost identical philosophically, except that Cain is tougher on public sector unions than Palin is. Cain has been a tea party favorite since it began (like Palin) and he has a talk radio show and has for years. If you don’t know he’s been speaking out on the issues, then that’s what we call willfull ignorance.
No way to like Palin and not like Cain and vice versa - and still be intellectually honest.
Yawn.
Demeaning Cain’s experience as that of a “small businessman” is ignorant, demeaning, and not consistent with the facts. His bio is out there. He has big business experience as well as small business. He’s been an entrepreneur and a corporate officer. He’s been on the Fed and he’s been head of a national trade organization. He’s been a consultant to a couple Presidential campaigns and he is the businessman who many credit for ending HIllary Care by embarrassing President Clinton in a town hall meeting.
He has a wealth of experiences and it compares favorably with Palin, who also has a wealth of experiences.
We’ll see.
Since you didn’t answer the first time I’ll try again: your statement the Cain should go be a spokesman to inner city blacks makes you the only racist on this thread.
Look, I'm raising the race issue because if Cain was white he wouldn't even be mentioned, and you and I both know it. He has no elective office experience, that is my central point, that FReepers are pushing him because he's black, just as FReepers pushed Condi and Powell for President even though they have no elective office experience although both do have foreign policy experience but their moderate leanings also makes them unsupportable. Had Cain won his Senate race or won office somewhere I would have no problems with him running for President.
Now you can say that I support Palin simply because she's an attractive female BUT - Palin has almost 20 years of political experience plus she co-ran a small business as well. So there's no "affirmative action" in my support for Palin. She has the experience and she has taken Obama to the woodshed and the fact that she's an attractive and relatively young woman is merely a coincidence.
and when Mr. Cain makes a speech it doesn’t sound like fingernails running down a blackboard don’t ya know
Look, why the venom? This is politics and I've been on this fricking board for 11 and a half years now. I don't want another RINO for the nominee, do you? We need to have this healthy debate now so the liberals don't pick our candidate again.
How is that racist? That would be the perfect role for Cain, since the GOP doesn't have the guts to tell blacks the truth about liberal policies anyway. Cain is uniquely suited for the role. He's a successful black entrepreneur who can engage in this type of outreach.
As a rule, it's best to have been a governor. That requires you to demonstrate you can run a government and deal with a legislature.
Second best is probably to have commanded US forces successfully in a war. That proves you are a leader as well as an executive.
Then there is federal legislative experience. That's valuable, but not so much. Legislators are generally a bunch of blowhards, better at talking than doing. Although, we did have one highly successful president who got elected with a resume consisting of one term in the House (retired because he'd opposed an unpopular war and didn't think he'd be reelected) and two failed senate bids.
If Cain's candidacy is nonsense, there's no reason to stop it. It just won't go anywhere. But I'll wait and see ...
I can't help myself. I just can't keep my little mouth shut. This paragraph is burning me up. How dare you! It's bad enough we have to hear this kind of crap from the left but from one of our own? (Insert loud scream here)
No one should have to explain that they are not a racist because they want to vote for Herman Cain! It is not affirmative action to vote for a man who you believe has the business sense to clean up obama's mess!
I don't know who John Cox was, never heard of him. But I do know who Herman Cain is, I used to listen to him on the radio online and have admired him for years! He's brilliant and I think it's going to take someone like him or Sarah Palin, someone who is willing to walk through the libs knives and arrows shot at their backs, to clean up after obama and put this country back on the road to solvency.
And that aint racist!
I, too, like Herman Cain, but his resume for elected office is woefully thin.
Well, so is the record of our current president
The more I see of the political class professionals, the more the lack of political experience of a candidate appeals to me. B. Obama had several years of elective experience. How’s that workin’ out for you?
I'm glad Cain is in, and I hope he does well. Am I voting for him? Probably not unless I'm that underwhelmed by the other candidates - like a Romney. What Cain does best is bring issues to the table, much as a candidate with somewhat similar credentials did in 1992 and 1996. Pat Buchanan.
What separates Cain from John Cox is this. Cain has a talk show as well, and it's actually pretty good, and I'm not a talk radio guy. I heard on the way back home from down south.
As is the fact that Herman Cain is black. Albeit a convenient coincidence, given where crucial Donk support comes from.
RE> All other candidates besides Palin ARE the status-quo.
When did she announce she’s a candidate? I must have missed it.
Bachelors Degree in Mathematics, a Masters in Computer Science and working on ballistics programs for the US Navy is not a slouch job either.
So far, all the 'standard' candidates we've gotten a look at are just politicians trying to stay employed.
I'm not so ignorant as to not give the man a chance to be heard.
Maybe you are.
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