2) You could recreate documents that experts will swear were created not only on the same typewriter but by the same hand at the keys (based on impression depths) twenty years ago so getting beyond that level of detail is probably doable these days as well.
3) you seem to think that there would be unlimited right of inquiry into the document itself. If it passes a few obvious tests there would be no further testing, that's for sure.
I understand what you're saying about a trail of evidence and so forth, the problem is that a forgery that passes the most obvious tests is probably going to be accepted as valid thereby halting further study of said document. How everyone is going to rifle through sufficient files and ledgers to determine validity is something of a mystery to me given the fact that to date no one can even get a copy of any of the things Barry wants to keep hidden. Once he “gives in” and produces a BC that passes the initial obvious tests, there won't be any more digging. IOW, the tests that just might discern a forgery from the original would never be done if the document passes the most common battery of tests.
I honestly don't see the point anyway. Barry can have a full BC in his pocket and he still doesn't meet the Constitutional requirements so the whole issue of the BC is moot IMHO, although the issue of his being eligible isn't. This needs to be framed around the facts which are that due to the facts of his birth situation, it doesn't matter where he personally was born. That's the issue being dodged and the whole document search thing is a wasted of effort either way it goes.
Thanks for that information. Fascinating.
It is possible for a state to pass a law which would require the “natural born citizen” issue to be ruled on by the courts. That is currently in the works in several state legislatures. So I do feel pretty confident that we will eventually get a ruling on that. Whether or not it will be based on the original intent of the Founders probably depends on the swing vote at SCOTUS. Which is scary.
The ability to forge documents is a growing concern, and given the tampering we already know about with Obama’s records (draft registration, passport, etc), it is something we need to take seriously with Obama. I agree with you that the procedures currently in place do nothing to require forensic analysis and without a requirement nobody in government is going to touch this issue.
That’s why I believe we need to get at least one state to pass a law that requires certified, non-manipulable transaction logs to be disclosed along with the birth and citizenship records.
The devil really is in the details, and I believe it was the prospect of such a law being introduced and passed that made Abercrombie balk in what I believe was a move to prepare the public to be shown a forged long-form BC for Obama - with the unveiling timed to embarrass “birthers” and convince state legislators that the eligibility issue is a crock that they don’t want to be associated with. Thus derailing the whole move for state eligibility laws.
I honestly believe that the only thing standing between the good people of America and a total, triumphant whitewash and blowing away of this issue is whether or not we can get ONE STATE to require transaction logs for birth and citizenship records submitted as proof of presidential eligibility.
And besides just requiring the candidate to swear that they’ve never been a citizen of another country we actually need to require the citizenship documentation. We need to require the candidate to give the SOS permission to do the investigation him/herself to see what records are held by the Department of State and INS, and to receive the transaction logs for those documents.
We already know that Obama’s passport file has been illegally accessed 3 times. Before any state SOS declares Obama to be Constitutionally eligible they need to know what was done those 3 times.
The inspector general for HHS reported on how easy it is to obtain genuine documents such as a birth certificate based on fraudulent documents such as a social security card, via passports, etc. We know there is something fishy with Obama’s SSN, passport file, and draft registration - and we know the HDOH has indirectly confirmed they have no legally-valid BC for Obama. To find out the real story, the IG of HHS recommends that states decide for themselves what documentation to require in order to not be snookered by fraud.
That is EXACTLY what needs to happen in these eligibility bills. We can’t do forensic analysis of everybody in the country, but the person who holds the nuclear football should at least get that level of scrutiny.
The bill I’m asking people to e-mail their state legislators and ask for is posted at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/final-short-form-eligibility-bill1.pdf