The notion that qualification as a natural born citizen requires that both parents be citizens is very much a minority opinion. Very few jurists, legal scholars, or politicians believe this to be true. If this belief were widely held, a challenge to Obama would have certainly been made before he was sworn in as President.
My opinion is this: Obama was born in Hawaii, as he has said and as the Governor of Hawaii has confirmed. The reason that he has spent over $2 million to destroy or conceal records of his early life, including his birth certificate is that he was later adopted by his Indonesian step-father and became an Indonesian citizen. When he was past the age of 18, he either obtained or renewed his Indonesian passport in order to use that document to gain entrance as a foreign student to either Occidental or Columbia, or both. By taking this action, he unknowingly renounced his original citizenship and even though he has certainly has his citizenship reinstated, he no longer can claim to be a natural born citizen, but rather he is a naturalized citizen.
However, even if my theory were proven to be 100% true, Obama would still be the legitimate President of the United States. His election was certified by the Vice President and by the Congress and he was sworn in by the Chief Justice of the United States. The only ways that he can be removed from office involuntarily before the end of his term is through the impeachment process or incapacitating illness.
The Birther Brigades will disagree with my opinion and they are quite welcome to hold their own. But, they are not entitled to insist that their opinion is correct and they are not entitled to demand that I accept their view. They will toss any number of silly insults my way for disagreeing with them.
Do your homework or STFU! I have posted this to you MANY TIMES and you are too stupid to check the facts or can’t read! The British Nationality Act of 1948 granted BRITISH CITIZENSHIP to and child born of a BRITISH MALE CITIZEN!
Bambi was BOTH BRITISH and AMERICAN at birth. So, cut the BS and stop wasting our time, Obama TROLL!!
WRONG -- 'You' cannot impeach someone who was never LEGALLY elected.
“and even though he has certainly has his citizenship reinstated,”
So there is yet another withheld document, or he never had it re-instated.
There would be naturalization documents.
Oops, though I don’t disagree with you, I forgot the silly insult!
Um, you spongehead!
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So what. None of those actions make an ineligible person magically eligible. If he's not eligible to the office, he cannot hold it.
The actions of the VP and Congress concern the votes, not the eligibility of the candidate. The Constitution doesn't require the Chief Justice, or anyone else to administer the oath, merely that it be taken before entering into the office. It's not a coronation ceremony, but it is a ceremony, not a Constitutionally significant action, except in so far as it satisfies one of the requirements laid out for being President. The counting of electoral college votes satisfies another group of requirements. Bu the bedrock requirement of being 35 or older and being a Natural Born Citizen still must be satisfied or the person is not and can never be President.
So if your theory is correct, we have usurper in office, not a President. Impeachment is for Presidents, not usurpers.
You were doing okay until you brought out this old bit of birther fantasy.
So, in the end, you consider that the law (the constitution) cannot stand against a misinterpretation of the law? He got away with it - so the actual content and intent of the law matters naught? Your argument says that the fact that he was installed makes the foundation of the office moot - his qualifications don't matter, because someone said he was President.
I hope we have more of the rule of law in us than that, honestly.
You, too, have no right to demand obeisance to your opinion.
Faulty Premise. If one is "Natural Born Citizen" that status cannot be removed by adoption, or traveling on a foreign passport.
The notion that qualification as a natural born citizen requires that both parents be citizens is very much a minority opinion. Very few jurists, legal scholars, or politicians believe this to be true.
Ditto. (a) Jurists, legal scholars, and politicians are wildly different beasts. (b)No one has ever polled them.
Courts have avoided the issue like the plague. I predict the issue will resurface with a vengeance in 2012.
There is more physical evidence that he was born in Kenya then the adoption in Indonesia.
Video of his grandma stating she was present
Article in Kenyan newspaper in 2004 states he was born in Kenya.
Statement in Kenyan parliament transcript that he was born in Kenya.
Having said all that...why not start by producing a $15.
F-ing birth certificate if you’re born in Hawaii. Just show us a legit certificate instead of spending $ 2 million to not produce one!
Your kind was too frenzied to prove that an Afro American black man could ascend to the highest elected position in America and in working theory become the most powerful person on earth.
Unfortunately the only way for your selected “man of color” to get there was to cheat, bribe, coerce, threaten and even kill those that were in your way.
That is so very wrong and all your efforts so far has only strengthened and firmed the resolve of a LARGE part of America that its time to throw out the trash and get rid of this problem, its a moldy fly attracting plate of food in our refrigerator and your mold is spreading to everything else.
And how, exactly, in your theory does Obama become eligible? Saying a dog has five legs doesn’t make it so.
If what you are saying is so true, then why did the leftists in congress hold hearings questioning McCains Citizenship and then ended them kind of abruptly saying that although McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, he had two American Parents one of them of course stationed in Panama. They concluded that McCain was a Natural Born Citizen. Rightly or wrongly, that was the conculsion that the leftists came too.
The notion that qualification as a natural born citizen requires that both parents be citizens is very much a minority opinion. Very few jurists, legal scholars, or politicians believe this to be true. If this belief were widely held, a challenge to Obama would have certainly been made before he was sworn in as President.
My opinion is this: Obama was born in Hawaii, as he has said and as the Governor of Hawaii has confirmed. The reason that he has spent over $2 million to destroy or conceal records of his early life, including his birth certificate is that he was later adopted by his Indonesian step-father and became an Indonesian citizen. When he was past the age of 18, he either obtained or renewed his Indonesian passport in order to use that document to gain entrance as a foreign student to either Occidental or Columbia, or both. By taking this action, he unknowingly renounced his original citizenship and even though he has certainly has his citizenship reinstated, he no longer can claim to be a natural born citizen, but rather he is a naturalized citizen.
However, even if my theory were proven to be 100% true, Obama would still be the legitimate President of the United States. His election was certified by the Vice President and by the Congress and he was sworn in by the Chief Justice of the United States. The only ways that he can be removed from office involuntarily before the end of his term is through the impeachment process or incapacitating illness.
The Birther Brigades will disagree with my opinion and they are quite welcome to hold their own. But, they are not entitled to insist that their opinion is correct and they are not entitled to demand that I accept their view. They will toss any number of silly insults my way for disagreeing with them.
I think that there is a high probability that what you say is correct. I also think it is terrible the way everyone insults each other over these Birther threads.
I used to think exactly what you have stated above but recently, after listening to Tim Adams, after reading what the Kenyan parliament said, but there is a high probability that there is no proper birth certificate on file at all.
But we will never know, will we?
How in the world did we ever get ourselves into such a situation, where a scan that was posted online is enough to become president of the United States?
With thousands of politicians in the country, and 535 Congress men and women, why can’t one stand up and say “Barack Obama , show us your birth certificate — show us a piece of paper that we can hold in our hands”.
It is my understanding, That even the piece of paper someone at factcheck was holding in their hands and photographed, has not been made available to anyone else. Again, amazing.
Absolutely completely totally and incredibly amazing.
If you are 100% correct on your theory, then Obama is not qualified.
If you have a duel citizenship, or give up your citizenship then you can’t become President.
I think you trust our corrupt government a little too much.