[cowboyway]

For the sake of arguement, let's assume the Confederacy won their independence on the battlefield and that for the most part the rest of history remained constant. In that scenarion the Great Depression still happens. Some of the strongest supporters of FDRs policies came from the South. Men like Huey Long, LBJ, Sam Rayburn, all went for the Democrats New Deal plans hook, line, and sinker.

Southern victory in the War of Northern Aggression would have had much different results than the linear conclusions that you are attempting to draw.

First of all, States Rights would have been cast in stone as with the right to secede thereby ensuring that politicians, such as disHonest Abe, FDR and Obama, would give considerable pause before treading on the rights of the people of the various states.

Second, the South, decimated by The War, would not have been further decimated by that atrocity called Reconstruction.

Third, you can't assume that the South, a mostly agrian nation, would have suffered through a depression.

Fourth, and most importantly, Southerners are different than yankees and all you need to do is look a red state/blue state map from the last several elections to see it. We were conservative then, we're conservative now.

Fifth, we would have had to remain constantly vigilant against subsequent invasion(s) from the north, meaning that we would have kept a strong standing army and navy and that every household would be armed to the teeth (kinda like they are now).

End the occupation!
Free Dixie!!

[southernsunshine]

“First of all, States Rights would have been cast in stone as with the right to secede thereby ensuring that politicians, such as disHonest Abe, FDR and Obama, would give considerable pause before treading on the rights of the people of the various states.”

BINGO! We have a winner!!!!!

[central_va]

Plus the North could pursue their socialist utopia unhindered. It would be perfect up their now, 140 yrs. without those rednecks holding them back.

[Idabilly]

Southern victory in the War of Northern Aggression would have had much different results than the linear conclusions that you are attempting to draw. First of all, States Rights would have been cast in stone as with the right to secede thereby ensuring that politicians, such as disHonest Abe, FDR and Obama, would give considerable pause before treading on the rights of the people of the various states. Second, the South, decimated by The War, would not have been further decimated by that atrocity called Reconstruction. Third, you can't assume that the South, a mostly agrian nation, would have suffered through a depression. Fourth, and most importantly, Southerners are different than yankees and all you need to do is look a red state/blue state map from the last several elections to see it. We were conservative then, we're conservative now. Fifth, we would have had to remain constantly vigilant against subsequent invasion(s) from the north, meaning that we would have kept a strong standing army and navy and that every household would be armed to the teeth (kinda like they are now).

End the occupation! Free Dixie!!

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[mojitojoe]

[Drennan Whyte]

First of all, States Rights would have been cast in stone as with the right to secede thereby ensuring that politicians, such as disHonest Abe, FDR and Obama, would give considerable pause before treading on the rights of the people of the various states.

Would it? The Preamble to the Confederate Constitution differed from the U.S. Constitution in that it was established "in order to form a permanent federal government..." While president, Jefferson Davis took a number of actions to reduce the rights of states to run their own show. I can't imagine that suddenly disappearing, especially in the face of a beaten and hostile U.S. on their northern border.

Second, the South, decimated by The War, would not have been further decimated by that atrocity called Reconstruction.

True.

Third, you can't assume that the South, a mostly agrian nation, would have suffered through a depression.

I think you certainly can. A case can be made that the Great Depression hit the farmers earlier and harder than it hit the industrial areas, and lasted longer. If the Confederacy was still a primarily agrarian economy then they would have been hit as hard or harder than everyone else. With all the disruptions and dissatisfaction that the rest of the U.S. faced.

Fourth, and most importantly, Southerners are different than yankees and all you need to do is look a red state/blue state map from the last several elections to see it. We were conservative then, we're conservative now.

I don't think that's true. Especially the 'then' part.

Fifth, we would have had to remain constantly vigilant against subsequent invasion(s) from the north, meaning that we would have kept a strong standing army and navy and that every household would be armed to the teeth (kinda like they are now).

With the corresponding need for a large military-industrial complex, high government expenses to pay for it, and all the rest. How would the Confederacy fund it? Since they were supposed to be so opposed to tariffs and all.