[LS]

In my personal experience, although it often takes a long time, almost every discussion I have with someone who argues Lincoln was a tyrant ultimately comes down to a defense of slavery and to racism. I have yet to find an exception. There is no denying the Confed. Constitution went out of its way to protect slavery seven ways from Sunday. If the war wasn’t about slavery, you sure could have fooled the Confederates.

[equalitybeforethelaw]

Wow Impy, all discussion of Lincoln comes down to slavery, is pretty much saying that Lincoln is all light and goodness and anything he did is okay because he was against slavery. Don’t bother reading the last 670 posts. You know there are still alot of Russians who think Stalin was good because he was against capitalism and made Russia strong. How easily it is to avoid judging a man on the behavior of his acts by citing the ends achieved. Guess a generational slaughter caused by goodness and light was worth it? Pay no attention to world wide trend of slavery being abolished without killing an entire generation, Lincoln is good because he killed an entire generation to achieve that which would have been achieved naturally. Shoosh. Narcissism, paranoia and over reach are not a 21st century attributes. Lincoln was incompetent and an ideologue. He caused the split. He then spent four bloody years attempting to put the genie he released back in the bottle. He personally okayed making war on civilians. He personally okayed imprisoning his opponents based on allegations of “spying”. He personally okayed the maltreatment of prisoners. He personally disfigured the relationship between citizens and their government forever. Be honest and assign responsibility to those responsible. Lincoln was an ogre, a tyrant, and an embarassment to founders and the Constitution.

[central_va]

I have with someone who argues Lincoln was a tyrant ultimately comes down to a defense of slavery and to racism.

Yes, Lincoln was both a racist and a tyrant.

[Bigun]

In my personal experience, although it often takes a long time, almost every discussion I have with someone who argues Lincoln was a tyrant ultimately comes down to a defense of slavery and to racism.

Then you have never had a discussion with me.

[Impy]

Yeah. Even if one regard the actions Lincoln took as wrong you can’t regard the Confederates as the ‘good guys’. Since they left the union due to their zealous desire to not only keep but expand slavery (which legal or not was WRONG of them to do, extremely wrong).

To make a modern analogy. It would be as if Vermont left the union (say in 2003) so they could perform “abortions” up to the point of the cutting of the cord and Bush sent troops in. Even if you thought Vermont had the right to leave I doubt many freepers would be supportive of that decision or call Bush a ‘tyrant’.