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Posted on 04/19/2010 8:18:35 AM PDT by erod
Hi FRiends,
I have two brothers who I love very much, they’re young and libertarian Ron Paul supporters, sigh. We get along and I’m hoping that one day they’ll come back to conservatism, but they have bought into a theory that I don’t think makes much sense:
Abe Lincoln was a dictator.
There are many websites dedicated to this nonsense you can Google "Abe Lincoln dictator" and get some weird stuff, if you want to check it out.
I need your help in busting this myth are there any books I can read on this subject to dispel this stuff? Do you know any of the arguments to combat this nonsense? Ie. Lincoln did not want to free the slaves.
Thanks for taking time out of your day to help me out, -Erod
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Idabilly, I believe you will find that rokr, SoothingDave and NS are one in the same. This mind parasite is extremely wrapped and warped. Beware.
I know! Look at posts 819 & 820! He/she/it is talking to him/her/it self!!
Next time they visit, cap ‘em both.
You've highlighted the problem perfectly.
Facists who would trample states rights would pit brother against brother to stop any state from escaping this bastardization of a republic that the Goon from Illinois created in 1865.
My my. It surely must be wonderful to have the gift of knowing what historical figures secretly thought. You are lucky indeed. Most of us need to rely on evidence as opposed to Secret Knowledge. Those of us who rely on, say, Frederick Douglass, and don’t have access to Lincoln’s secret thoughts come to a different conclusion:
http://american_almanac.tripod.com/dougorat.htm
Fellow-citizens, in what we have said and done today, and in what we may say and do hereafter, we disclaim everything like arrogance and assumption. We claim for ourselves no superior devotion to the character, history, and memory of the illustrious name whose monument we have here dedicated today. We fully comprehend the relation of Abraham Lincoln both to ourselves and to the white people of the United States. Truth is proper and beautiful at all times and in all places, and it is never more proper and beautiful in any case than when speaking of a great public man whose example is likely to be commended for honor and imitation long after his departure to the solemn shades, the silent continents of eternity. It must be admitted, truth compels me to admit, even here in the presence of the monument we have erected to his memory, Abraham Lincoln was not, in the fullest sense of the word, either our man or our model. In his interests, in his associations, in his habits of thought, and in his prejudices, he was a white man.
He was preeminently the white man’s President, entirely devoted to the welfare of white men. He was ready and willing at any time during the first years of his administration to deny, postpone, and sacrifice the rights of humanity in the colored people to promote the welfare of the white people of this country. In all his education and feeling he was an American of the Americans. He came into the Presidential chair upon one principle alone, namely, opposition to the extension of slavery. His arguments in furtherance of this policy had their motive and mainspring in his patriotic devotion to the interests of his own race. To protect, defend, and perpetuate slavery in the states where it existed Abraham Lincoln was not less ready than any other President to draw the sword of the nation. He was ready to execute all the supposed guarantees of the United States Constitution in favor of the slave system anywhere inside the slave states. He was willing to pursue, recapture, and send back the fugitive slave to his master, and to suppress a slave rising for liberty, though his guilty master were already in arms against the Government. The race to which we belong were not the special objects of his consideration. Knowing this, I concede to you, my white fellow-citizens, a pre-eminence in this worship at once full and supreme. First, midst, and last, you and yours were the objects of his deepest affection and his most earnest solicitude. You are the children of Abraham Lincoln. We are at best only his step-children; children by adoption, children by forces of circumstances and necessity., To you it especially belongs to sound his praises, to preserve and perpetuate his memory, to multiply his statues, to hang his pictures high upon your walls, and commend his example, for to you he was a great and glorious friend and benefactor. Instead of supplanting you at his altar, we would exhort you to build high his monuments; let them be of the most costly material, of the most cunning workmanship; let their forms be symmetrical, beautiful, and perfect, let their bases be upon solid rocks, and their summits lean against the unchanging blue, overhanging sky, and let them endure forever! But while in the abundance of your wealth, and in the fullness of your just and patriotic devotion, you do all this, we entreat you to despise not the humble offering we this day unveil to view; for while Abraham Lincoln saved for you a country, he delivered us from a bondage, according to Jefferson, one hour of which was worse than ages of the oppression your fathers rose in rebellion to oppose.
Umm, because you’re a hatemonger?
How does that invalidate what I said? Which you may not have read very carefully.
I said I didn't know what made Lincoln run -- and neither did his close associates, and they said so.
We have to guess, and estimate, and reconstruct as best we can. That isn't "secret knowledge"!
Numbnuts!
Again, you are obsessed, OBSESSED with race. The question is.... why?
He’s been a troll since the day he arrived on FR. He began by fighting with people because he touted how wonderful Muslims and Islam was. He was immediately called a troll. So he threw a few bucks into the donation fund. Then he began to bash Southerners and call them racists. Then he bashed Texans and Texas. The he spent years saying the same thing over and over and over again about the civil war. Then he moved over to secession. God forbid any state should try that.... he get’s all hysterical because oooooohhhh that is to much like the South. That is a very naughty world for Dearie. Then came the birth certificate issue. WOO HOO he was in hogs heaven. Now he could post 18 hours a day on that. He has so many enemies on FR it’s insane. Bad Freeper and a troll. When I first came to FR I was shown a troll list by several freepers and by George he was on it, and it was NOT a long list.
East Tennessee was certainly a stronghold of pro-Union, Jacksonian sentiment during the war, as were the counties of North Carolina just across the line, that tried to secede from Tarheel like West Virginia did, to form their own little "republic" they agreeably called Mayland. Having been imprisoned in my damaged (still repairing) house for going on two years now, Mayland would be an appealing place to visit next month, if I could get away.
Nobody built one to Benedict Arnold or Tokyo Rose either.
This speaks volumes as to your true feeling on the Civil War and secession. You probably should consider joining the Communist Party...
Here is another "fake" photo of the non-existent Black Confederate. Amazing photoshop work here...
God bless you sir, we are grateful.
ROTFLMAO!!!! Look at the post from mojitojoe and idabilly and cowboyway and you tell me again who the hatemonger is.
Life is full of mysteries. My obsession with race...your obsession with homosexuality...we may never know the real reason for both.
You are a race baiter, no better than Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson et al. Sad.
Yeah. I've been here seven years longer than you.
As far as I'm concerned if I'm hated by cretins like you and Idabooby and clownboyway then I must be doing something right.
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