Posted on 04/19/2010 8:18:35 AM PDT by erod
Hi FRiends,
I have two brothers who I love very much, they’re young and libertarian Ron Paul supporters, sigh. We get along and I’m hoping that one day they’ll come back to conservatism, but they have bought into a theory that I don’t think makes much sense:
Abe Lincoln was a dictator.
There are many websites dedicated to this nonsense you can Google "Abe Lincoln dictator" and get some weird stuff, if you want to check it out.
I need your help in busting this myth are there any books I can read on this subject to dispel this stuff? Do you know any of the arguments to combat this nonsense? Ie. Lincoln did not want to free the slaves.
Thanks for taking time out of your day to help me out, -Erod
By wiping their collective arses with the Constitution and packing the federal courts with their lackeys for starters!
And here we are today stuck with the federal Leviathan.
Yes, but we do good for the children now. Back in those days slave owners would eat their children and whip their slaves. I also saw on “Roots” that they would have sex with slaves. Now things are better with the intervention of the friendly Fed. All of the bad things still go on, but there are no slave owners.
Dude, as far as the opinion of “Mr Lincoln” held by most Marylanders west of South Mountain, don’t *even* go there.
People always wonder *why* MD has voted Dem since then.
Mr Lincoln was why.
It’s only been recently that ultra-conservative western Marylanders have figured out that the Dems are now fascist bastards and have begun to vote for the “party of Lincoln”.
My ancestors [and all others who lived in the area] were “monitored” by the federal troops garrisoned at Ft Frederick, lest they “rise up and rebel”.
Being but poor dirt and rock farmers, not a single one of them ever owned a slave, let alone condoned slavery yet they were treated roughly as potential “threats”.
Down through the generations, they have never forgotten this.
If you think this hyperbole, look up the lyrics to our state song.
[*if* they haven’t completely “sanitized” them, yet]
In it, while not at all bemoaning the fact, quite thoroughly shows that the war changed the nature of the federal government.
I can't get a one of you to admit there were any Southern racists at all, much less ones worse than Lincoln.
Misdirection, and b.s. We're talking about Lincoln.
Besides, Northerners hated Southern whites -- what do you call that? It was race-specific, so was it racism?
[Me] When? In 1858? Not hardly. More advanced than southern abolitionists? Don't think so. Lincoln was a colonizer, remember.
[You, pettifogging] As was Robert Lee.
Misdirection again, and completely immaterial. We were discussing Lincoln.
But I rather than dealing with mythical Southern abolitionists.....
There was indeed an abolition society in Virginia.
..... how about a quote from some Southern leader who believed blacks were in any way their equal, much less that they had any rights at all?
Immaterial again, and more misdirection. The subject was Lincoln. And besides, conceding that people have rights does not waive the charge of racism.
Come on, Non-Sequitur, you can do better than this. You should be a symphony of indignant eloquence, a decalcomanic whirling dervish of quotebox cut-and-pastes like your idol Wlat. After all, this is one of your favorite sandboxes -- the evil South, and
Too bad your white-marble Rail-Splitter was one, too.
lol
Too funny!
A post condemnatory of the use of box quotes and replete with.....box quotes!
Idabilly, my great great great cousin ran all the spies in Southern Maryland during the war. He reported directly to Jeff Davis. He was the point of contact for Booth in the Lincoln kidnap plan. The plan was to kidnap him and ransom him for all Confederate troops in federal prisons. Unfortunately, Bobby Lee surrendered and Booth went balistic (an actor don’t you know). My cousin did get him across the Potomac, then wisely fled to Cuba and then England for a couple of years. He returned to Washington and managed a hotel in DC until his death. He was buried at Mt. Olivet.
I don't suppose you could be more specific than that?
“Yes, but we do good for the children now”
How silly of me! How could I have forgotten we do it all for the children now?/sarc That whole post is hilarious and spot on!
Your self expression through writing has a finesse to which I extend my compliments. Honest and eloquent, peppered with humor, what more can a reader ask for?
Yegads!
What an amazing family history you have!
Mine only amounts to federal troops bullying old ladies and dirt farmers.
[A “mentally unstable” actor? Goodness! Now ~that’s~ completely unheard of!]...;-D
“He was buried at Mt. Olivet.”
Bawlmer?
Misdirection? Debatable. But B.S.? Absolute nonsense. You and your buddies condemn Lincoln for beliefs that were head and shoulders above those of your Southron heroes. Hypocrisy is very much a lost cause trait.
Besides, Northerners hated Southern whites -- what do you call that? It was race-specific, so was it racism?
And y'all hated Northern whites. Again, if the North was racist then the South was more so.
But no doubt you'll call that misdirection too.
Too bad your white-marble Rail-Splitter was one, too.
But nowhere near as racist as Bobby Lee, Jeff Davis, Tommy Jackson, and the rest of the confederate White Supremacist league.
Bawlmer?
No DC. My line was from NC. We all started in MD in 1690, then migrated south and west after the Revolution. This relative lived in Piscataway, MD and owned a country store/hotel there. It is still standing. He lost his wife and son in 1859 and somehow became a spy master for Davis. He was in attendance with Booth in Montreal during the original kidnap planning. He was smart enough to drop Booth and run after the assassination. I cannot remember the name of the DC hotel that he managed upon his return, but it was a known hotbed of confederate spys during the war. It was owned by a lady.
All my other relatives fought in NC regiments during the war.
RB - Since you introduced me to Judy Collins, “Amazing Grace”, I wanted to return the favor....it’s at the link.
One of my sons gave me an Alison Krauss CD and my sister gave me the Oh, Brother CD, so I'm familiar with her singing. Thanks!
Also, my daughter is working on her post-graduate and her thesis deals w/the CW. Wanted you to know that a couple of your posts (and some others on these threads) helped in her research.
I'm amazed. Good on your daughter. If there's any way I can help, please let me know via Freepmail. I'm no expert -- the war is a just hobby with me. But these threads are like a graduate seminar on a lot of aspects of the war, and I pick up knowledge by participating.
"But nowhere near as racist as Bobby Lee, Jeff Davis, Tommy Jackson, and the rest of the confederate White Supremacist league."
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What!?
Your Hero, Lincoln
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I cannot make it better known than it already is, that I strongly favor colonization. In this view, I recommend the adoption of the following resolution and articles amendatory to the Constitution of the United States ... "Congress may appropriate money, and otherwise provide, for colonizing free colored persons, with their consent, at any place or places without the United States." Applications have been made to me by many free Americans of African descent to favor their emigration, with a view to such colonization as was contemplated in recent acts of Congress ... Several of the Spanish American republics have protested against the sending of such colonies [settlers] to their respective territories ... Liberia and Haiti are, as yet, the only countries to which colonists of African descent from here could go with certainty of being received and adopted as citizens ... Their old masters will gladly give them wages at least until new laborers can be procured; and the freedmen, in turn, will gladly give their labor for the wages, till new homes can be found for them, in congenial climes, and with people of their own blood and race.
Fellow-citizens, we cannot escape history. We of this Congress and this administration will be remembered in spite of ourselves ...
See, there it goes again spewing personal details on the internet. Don’t believe all that it says. It tells many lies and many people are onto it.
Why should I? We've been over the ground many times over the past ten or so years and you remain perverse in demeanor.
I think, an ex-naval officer that is on retirement. He was stationed, I think, at N.S. Charleston SC for a while in the 80’s.
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Don’t believe everything you read in the internet. Keep in mind, that unless they are kids, most adults don’t spill their identity and life story on the internet, especially on a forum where they have so many enemies. However they often create an illusion that people accept as fact if they say it enough. ;)
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