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Abe Lincoln was a dictator??? (Need Help combating loony argument)

Posted on 04/19/2010 8:18:35 AM PDT by erod

Hi FRiends,

I have two brothers who I love very much, they’re young and libertarian Ron Paul supporters, sigh. We get along and I’m hoping that one day they’ll come back to conservatism, but they have bought into a theory that I don’t think makes much sense:

Abe Lincoln was a dictator.

There are many websites dedicated to this nonsense you can Google "Abe Lincoln dictator" and get some weird stuff, if you want to check it out.

I need your help in busting this myth are there any books I can read on this subject to dispel this stuff? Do you know any of the arguments to combat this nonsense? Ie. Lincoln did not want to free the slaves.

Thanks for taking time out of your day to help me out, -Erod


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To: Non-Sequitur

God, do me a favor please.... keep talking trash about Florida, tell everyone how bad it sucks. Do me a favor... because it seems every damn Yankee in the US either vacations here, winters here or moves here. Tell all your Yankee friends every single thing you hate about Florida.
Does your boss know you post on FR all day long? You know lots of people have been fired when posts were sent to bosses. Just curious if they know they are paying you to chin slurp Lincoln and bash the South all day long.


581 posted on 04/20/2010 11:37:17 AM PDT by mojitojoe (“Our leaders seek to pit us against one another, and torment us relentlessly."Mark Levin)
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To: Bigun

I do however wonder how he makes a living since he seems to spend every waking moment of every day posting his garbage here.
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I’m working on it.


582 posted on 04/20/2010 11:39:07 AM PDT by mojitojoe (“Our leaders seek to pit us against one another, and torment us relentlessly."Mark Levin)
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To: SoothingDave

But what do I know, my family has only been here 100 years.

Exactly.


583 posted on 04/20/2010 11:39:53 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: lentulusgracchus
You must be terribly disappointed.

Just think of it as tough love. Learn to get by without your chattel waiting on you hand and foot.

584 posted on 04/20/2010 11:45:18 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

It’s tough to tell the players without a scorecard, eh?


585 posted on 04/20/2010 11:47:33 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Bigun
You should know that the ancestors of NS arrived in this country early in the 20th century from Eastern Europe.

Good God you're all stalking me. </sarcasm>

That fact, along with 9 or 10 years worth of the revisionist trash he continually posts here, tells me you all you need to know and also informs you as to why I no longer waste my time trying to reason with him. There is no point to it.

There was little if any reason in any of your posts to begin with.

I do however wonder how he makes a living since he seems to spend every waking moment of every day posting his garbage here.

And what about central_va, Idabilly, mojitojoe and the rest? They're going toe-to-toe with me. Not concerned about their employment?

586 posted on 04/20/2010 11:50:53 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

No doubt a compassion troll...


587 posted on 04/20/2010 11:51:58 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: oldfart

Maybe even 3 or 4 different nations...


588 posted on 04/20/2010 11:53:11 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Non-Sequitur

agree with Judge Douglas he is not my equal in many respects-certainly not in color, perhaps not in moral or intellectual endowment
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Well that is pretty vile dontcha think? Who dies and made Lincoln God? How dare he say that blacks have less moral character and are not as intellectually endowed as others.


589 posted on 04/20/2010 11:54:21 AM PDT by mojitojoe (“Our leaders seek to pit us against one another, and torment us relentlessly."Mark Levin)
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To: mojitojoe
...because it seems every damn Yankee in the US either vacations here, winters here or moves here.

It's a plot. We send you all our crabby, whining, carping, complaining, foul tempered, left-turn-signal-leaving-on, doing-40-in-a-65-zone senior citizens and all the younger ones dumb enough to find Florida appealing and we keep all the smart ones. We figure those who go will fit right in with folks like you.

Does your boss know you post on FR all day long? You know lots of people have been fired when posts were sent to bosses.

I'm off work right now. Won't start until about 4PM central. What about your boss?

590 posted on 04/20/2010 11:55:34 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: rockrr

We are almost up to 600 posts. I would gather about 60% of these represent NS attacks. Funny how this great Lincoln crusade has achieved such lasting benefits to America. Maybe there is something in water in Chicago?


591 posted on 04/20/2010 11:56:01 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: mojitojoe
Well that is pretty vile dontcha think? Who dies and made Lincoln God? How dare he say that blacks have less moral character and are not as intellectually endowed as others.

Gee I don't know. The same nerve that allowed Jeff Davis to say this?

"We recognize the negro as God and God's Book and God's Law in nature tells us to recognize him - our inferior, fitted expressly for servitude. Freedom only injures the slave. The innate stamp of inferiority is beyond the reach of change. You cannot transform the negro into anything one-tenth as useful or as good as what slavery enables him to be."

593 posted on 04/20/2010 11:57:53 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
We are almost up to 600 posts. I would gather about 60% of these represent NS attacks. Funny how this great Lincoln crusade has achieved such lasting benefits to America. Maybe there is something in water in Chicago?

Oh heck we did over 1200 on a thread where Ron Paul said Lincoln could have avoided the war by buying up the all the slaves. No doubt that sound logical to you.

But hey, go ahead and count them up. If I've got 360 posts then you win.

594 posted on 04/20/2010 12:00:06 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: HistorianDorisKearnsGoodwad
fallacy, misdirection, and outright deception.

Speaking of which, how the heck are ya, Pea?

595 posted on 04/20/2010 12:00:56 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: HistorianDorisKearnsGoodwad

To HistorianDorisKearnsGoodwad, thanks for the update. I do believe NS is hot for Lincoln, maybe she gets off on generational slaughter? Who knows? I find it hard to believe she is from Charleston. Most folks from there are gracious and lucid.


596 posted on 04/20/2010 12:01:43 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Non-Sequitur

I doubt she’ll answer. That was her once~a~quarter post lol...


597 posted on 04/20/2010 12:02:52 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
I do believe NS is hot for Lincoln, maybe she gets off on generational slaughter? P> Neither, though I must point out that it's clear that implying homosexuality is very much alive and well in most Lost Causers. I'm here because people like you are here posting your revisionist nonsense.

Who knows? I find it hard to believe she is from Charleston. Most folks from there are gracious and lucid.

Which obviously leaves you out as a Charleston native.

598 posted on 04/20/2010 12:05:25 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

“implying homosexuality is very much alive and well in most Lost Causers”

Huh?

You really need to stop drinking diet sodas when indulging in free association.


599 posted on 04/20/2010 12:11:51 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Idabilly

Problem with that is, Britain did not fall but rose, and it’s still here (albeit not as it was 100 years ago). So much for those words of wisdom.


600 posted on 04/20/2010 12:26:04 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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