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Abe Lincoln was a dictator??? (Need Help combating loony argument)

Posted on 04/19/2010 8:18:35 AM PDT by erod

Hi FRiends,

I have two brothers who I love very much, they’re young and libertarian Ron Paul supporters, sigh. We get along and I’m hoping that one day they’ll come back to conservatism, but they have bought into a theory that I don’t think makes much sense:

Abe Lincoln was a dictator.

There are many websites dedicated to this nonsense you can Google "Abe Lincoln dictator" and get some weird stuff, if you want to check it out.

I need your help in busting this myth are there any books I can read on this subject to dispel this stuff? Do you know any of the arguments to combat this nonsense? Ie. Lincoln did not want to free the slaves.

Thanks for taking time out of your day to help me out, -Erod


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To: central_va

At this time of day if I can somehow make a post without a typo or other error, I consider it a near-miracle.


501 posted on 04/20/2010 4:27:50 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Overturning the Will of The People

By

Military force is a yankee/Shutzstaffel tradition.

502 posted on 04/20/2010 4:41:27 AM PDT by Idabilly (Oh, southern star how I wish you would shine.)
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To: Idabilly
I do know idiocy when I see it.

Speak of the devil and look who appears.

503 posted on 04/20/2010 4:42:28 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: lentulusgracchus
Pettifogging lawyer-talk.

The same kind of talk you claim justifies unilateral secession.

504 posted on 04/20/2010 4:43:16 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: mojitojoe
I’m not the one shooting blanks numbnuts.

I showed your posts to my daughter and she was absolutely amazed that anyone could have such a contempt for adoption as you seem to. I had to explain that you're just a sad, sick, sorry little man who enjoys wallowing in hatred.

505 posted on 04/20/2010 4:44:37 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: mojitojoe
You are clearly obsessed, CLEARLY!

Yet another pot-meet-kettle moment. You are clearly on a roll today.

I feel sorry for you.

I waste no sympathy on you. You are what you are, and I've given up trying to understand how someone can hate as much as you do. Like my mother-in-law, you don't seem to be happy unless you're hating something.

506 posted on 04/20/2010 4:47:01 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Did you show your daughter were yo call people inbred too? You are great American Yankee.
507 posted on 04/20/2010 4:49:22 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org)
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To: Idabilly

Why thank you, Sir. And we love our gentlemen:)


508 posted on 04/20/2010 4:49:47 AM PDT by southernsunshine
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To: Non-Sequitur
He doesn't hate - he loves an idea that I share also, of freedom away from vain statist, socialist, butt kissing Neo-Yankee. You are the hater.

“The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form.”

     -- J. Davis Pres. CSA
 

509 posted on 04/20/2010 4:54:04 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Yes.

But the man asked about Abraham Lincoln.


510 posted on 04/20/2010 5:06:01 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Non-Sequitur
I waste no sympathy on you. You are what you are, and I've given up trying to understand how someone can hate as much as you do. Like my mother-in-law, you don't seem to be happy unless you're hating something.

The above statement was made by which of the following?

  1. A Mass. colonist Tory in 1776
  2. A French Royal family member in the late 18th century
  3. Non-sequitur

511 posted on 04/20/2010 5:06:19 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org)
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To: central_va
He doesn't hate - he loves an idea that I share also, of freedom away from vain statist, socialist, butt kissing Neo-Yankee. You are the hater.

Hate the Constitution. Hate the country. Hate the Declaration of Independence. Hate is what keeps you guys happy. Hate is your reason for living, such as it is. Hate is what brings you together and keeps you together. And if you ever get your act together and actually secede then hatred will be what your country is founded on and what drives it. Hatred of anyone and everyone who is not you. And I'll feel sorry for whatever part of your population you channel it towards.

513 posted on 04/20/2010 5:21:15 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Salamander

Educate me with a Lou Rockwell screed by Tommy DiLIErenzo and his fractured history? LOL. You are hopeless.


514 posted on 04/20/2010 5:21:22 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: central_va

Me. And it’s completely accurate, too.


515 posted on 04/20/2010 5:27:44 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: central_va
Did you show your daughter were yo call people inbred too? You are great American Yankee.

And the parts where all you Lost Causers express your hatred of the U.S. and your phobia for homosexuality. She wondered why you were allowed to be so anti-American and I reminded her that this is a free country where even idiots have the right to speak their mind.

516 posted on 04/20/2010 5:30:36 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: lentulusgracchus
Bogus decision subject to review and overturning by the first honest court to review it.

The definition of a bogus decision being any one that you disagree with?

517 posted on 04/20/2010 5:32:29 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: mojitojoe
“I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.” -— Abraham Lincoln, 3/14/1861 First Inaugural Speech

And where was he wrong? What power did the president have to interfere with slavery where it existed?

“I will say, then, that I am not, nor have ever been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races ... I am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.” -— Abraham Lincoln

Yes we know. Lincoln was a racist. But according to you he was the only one in the U.S. at the time, in spite of the fact that his views were far more advanced than any Southerner you would care to name. But you never want to go there.

518 posted on 04/20/2010 5:34:34 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Salamander
DiLorenzo:"the parasitic, live-at-others’-expense class"

Only a master of the science of loony history such as Tommy would fail to see the irony in including those words in a defense of the #1 all time parasitic live-at-others expense class in America, the Southern secessionists.

519 posted on 04/20/2010 5:36:54 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Non-Sequitur
But it doesn't say only Congress can do it.

But does the Constitution specifically state, anywhere in the document, that the Executive has the power to suspend habeus corpus? If it does not state it, then he does not have that power.

If you interpret it otherwise, then you might as well be a big-government, nanny-statist, democrat.

By the way, Article 1 of the Constitution lists the powers and duties of the Legislature, Article 2 lists the powers and duties of the Executive and Article 3 lists the powers and duties of ther Judciary.

If you are so desperate in your attempt to find a foot-hold for your argument that you are searching Article 1 for powers of the executive, then, as before, you may as well be a big-government, nanny-statist, democrat.

520 posted on 04/20/2010 5:39:49 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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