Abe Lincoln was a dictator??? (Need Help combating loony argument)

[erod]

Hi FRiends,

I have two brothers who I love very much, they’re young and libertarian Ron Paul supporters, sigh. We get along and I’m hoping that one day they’ll come back to conservatism, but they have bought into a theory that I don’t think makes much sense:

Abe Lincoln was a dictator.

There are many websites dedicated to this nonsense you can Google "Abe Lincoln dictator" and get some weird stuff, if you want to check it out.

I need your help in busting this myth are there any books I can read on this subject to dispel this stuff? Do you know any of the arguments to combat this nonsense? Ie. Lincoln did not want to free the slaves.

Thanks for taking time out of your day to help me out, -Erod

[southernsunshine]

“I do know idiocy when I see it.”

Holding a mirror while you’re posting, are you?!

[central_va]

If you are calling me a racist we have a problem.

My ancestors from Roanoke owned no slaves, yet fought for their independence. For them and for me it was not about slavery.

Guess who made the following statement?

My first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia,—to their own native land. But a moment’s reflection would convince me that whatever of high hope (as I think there is) there may be in this, in the long run, its sudden execution is impossible.

[rockrr]

Well bless your heart...

[Non-Sequitur]

“Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.” - Abraham Lincoln, 1865

[MagnoliaB]

Nice to meet you also. I think it’s time for a nap. When you are 145, this is quite a task.

[central_va]

Go back to our hole troll, at least most of the Lincoln man-crush lovers around here know some history.

[southernsunshine]

“Well bless your heart”

Thank you.

[southernsunshine]

“Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.” - Abraham Lincoln, 1865”

Who is arguing for slavery?

[Non-Sequitur]

Guess who made the following statement:

"My proposition would be that the holders [of slaves] should give up all born after a certain day, past, present, or to come, that these should be placed under the guardianship of the State, and sent at a proper age to S. Domingo. There they are willing to recieve them, & the shortness of the passage brings the deportation within the possible means of taxation aided by charitable contributions."

[southernsunshine]

“When you are 145, this is quite a task.”

I agree! Have a nice nap:)

[Non-Sequitur]

Who is arguing for slavery?

Anyone who thinks it's a compassionate institution.

[count-your-change]

Here at The Center for Prevention of Having a Knife Stuck in Yer Gut, LLC., (CPHKSYG), chopsig, we do not joke about such things!

[SoothingDave]

If you are calling me a racist we have a problem.

I don't know if you are racist. You'd probably defend slavery no matter what color the slaves were.

My ancestors from Roanoke owned no slaves, yet fought for their independence. For them and for me it was not about slavery.

Read some history.

I am sure that many people fought valiantly for their homeland, but trying to ignore the role slavery played is disingenuous.

The "Cause" was in its essence, wrong.

[central_va]

Sooth this tune by a great American, Patriot to the Southern Cause Major Inness Randolph P.A.C.S (Dave, take a stress pill)

O, I’m a good old Rebel,
Now that’s just what I am,
For this “Fair Land of Freedom”
I do not care at all;

I’m glad I fit against it —
I only wish we’d won,
And I don’t want no pardon
For anything I done.

I hates the Constitution,
This Great Republic too,
I hates the Freedman’s Buro,
In uniforms of blue;

I hates the nasty eagle,
With all his brags and fuss,
The lyin’, thievin’ Yankees,
I hates ‘em wuss and wuss.

I hates the Yankee nation
And everything they do,
I hates the Declaration
Of Independence too;

I hates the glorious Union —
‘Tis dripping with our blood —
I hates their striped banner,
I fit it all I could.

I followed old mass’ Robert
For four year, near about,
Got wounded in three places
And starved at Pint Lookout;

I cotch the rheumatism
A campin’ in the snow,
But I killed a chance of Yankees,
I’d like to kill some mo’.

Three hundred thousand Yankees
Is stiff in Southern dust;
We got three hundred thousand
Before they conquered us;

They died of Southern fever
And Southern steel and shot,
I wish they was three million
Instead of what we got.

I can’t take up my musket
And fight ‘em now no more,
But I ain’t going to love ‘em,
Now that is sarten sure;

And I don’t want no pardon
For what I was and am,
I won’t be reconstructed
And I don’t care a damn.

[SoothingDave]

Where is “our hole” or did you mean to write something intelligent?

[central_va]

The "Cause" was in its essence, wrong.

Fighting for your freedom is never wrong.

[southernsunshine]

Well, like I told Magnolia, I feel about 145. But, since the origin of slavery is literally thousands of years old I don’t think I’m quite old enough to qualify the compassion or lack therof. Whew! I finally found something I’m not old enough to remember.

[SoothingDave]

Pretending to fight for a “freedom” that is centered on the right to hold human beings as livestock is always wrong.

I’ll give you that many fought valiantly and bravely, but it was for an evil cause.

[SoothingDave]

But, since the origin of slavery is literally thousands of years old I don’t think I’m quite old enough to qualify the compassion or lack therof.

Yes, the shrugged shoulders and faux agnosticism of the slavery defender.

[central_va]

Where is “our hole” or did you mean to write something intelligent?

Actually "our hole" works if you consider the cartoon republic we are forced to live in thanks to the Illinois Butcher™ "Over 600,00 served"