Posted on 04/19/2010 8:18:35 AM PDT by erod
Hi FRiends,
I have two brothers who I love very much, they’re young and libertarian Ron Paul supporters, sigh. We get along and I’m hoping that one day they’ll come back to conservatism, but they have bought into a theory that I don’t think makes much sense:
Abe Lincoln was a dictator.
There are many websites dedicated to this nonsense you can Google "Abe Lincoln dictator" and get some weird stuff, if you want to check it out.
I need your help in busting this myth are there any books I can read on this subject to dispel this stuff? Do you know any of the arguments to combat this nonsense? Ie. Lincoln did not want to free the slaves.
Thanks for taking time out of your day to help me out, -Erod
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Hamsters?
Are you offering? Because I don't want you used ones.
Well, fancy meeting you here again, tonka truck!
“Why is it not surprising that the grey diaper crowd would rather quibble about the placement of an apostrophe than deal with the substance of Gen. Cleyburne’s 1863 proposal?”
Not quibbling. No problem with misplaced punctuation or spelling errors and such. Been guilty of those errors many times myself. Just want to know if you are painting with that broad brush of your’s again. So, did you intend to discuss just General Cleyburne’s mindset or did you indicate this to be the mindset of all Confederate Rebels?
“Here again is the General in his own words refuting the ridiculous notion that blacks fought for the confederacy.”
As for the infamous General Cleyburne, I indicated yesterday that you and I are both well aware of his sentiments and history. We can sit here all day and swap stories of unsavory Generals and the like, because you see, they existed on both sides. To your specific reference, “.....the ridiculous notion that blacks fought for the confederacy.” I would have to say that you haven’t been keeping up with your studies. Have you not learned anything from the links I so kindly provided you? It doesn’t appear that you have. I acknowlege how time intensive research can be but, the whole truth is there if you simply dedicate yourself to finding it.
There really is much more to Confederate history than that which is taught in public schools. Come to think of it, there is much more to Union history than I was offered in public schools.
“Exactly!! With Flower power pansies from Woodstock leading the charge under the disguise of posting names such as Non-Sequitur and Portable Toilets Pump_Truck”
Okay, I just pulled a manc and spat water on my keybord:)
y= mx+b(idiot)
This equation complements you perfectly.
And since it's completely imaginary then it fits right in with quality of all your other posts as well.
Did you evn bother to read his proposal? Was Cleyborne speaking in first person when he talked about the whites fear of their own slaves, or the single source of southern re enforcement that then currently existed?
As for the infamous General Cleyburne, I indicated yesterday that you and I are both well aware of his sentiments and history. We can sit here all day and swap stories of unsavory Generals and the like, because you see, they existed on both sides.
So now Confederate General Patrick Cleyburne, the 'Stonewall of the West' has suddenly become 'infamous' and 'unsavory' to the grey diaper crowd? That's gonna be news to a lot of southerners, and a prime example of how your kind twist the objective truth to fit your storyline.
Have you not learned anything from the links I so kindly provided you?
I learned that Napolean Nelson was one of N.B. Forrestt's slaves. If he fought for the South he did so as a slave. I wonder, did he joined the KKK with ol' Bedford afterwards too?
Now, I can already see that you need to read my post again. I asked you a specific question. I was not referencing General Cleyborne’s intent, I was referencing yours. Will you kindly answer the question?
Did I read General Cleyburne’s proposal? I told you yesterday, I’m very well aware of his history. That would mean I have read his proposal.
I don’t speak for any crowd, I only speak for myself. So, can you indicate just which Southerners will have some news and just what that news will be? Would you like to point out to me just what objective truth is being twisted here? Would you like to post some, less than flattering, statements made by Union Generals? Or perhaps some made my old Abe himself?
I see your learning skills are lacking. There is tutoring available for this problem. Such a shame you also lack respect for your fellow man. Must be a bitter existence. I’m always glad for someone who is proud of something they inherit, cherish, accomplish, etc. Is it Napolean Nelson’s ancestors that you wish to contact, and let them know they don’t have any history in him to be proud of?
Again, please read my post and answer the question; Did you intend to discuss just General Cleyburne’s mindset or did you indicate this to be the mindset of all Confederate Rebels?
It would also be just “peachy” if you answer my other questions too.
Lewis Goldberg
03/17/2003
Frank Conner's monumental work documenting the North's past and continued aggression against Dixie is just that - monumental. Weighing in at 752 pages with zero fluff, Siege satisfies the history buff with every page turn. Mr. Conner brings together a wealth of knowledge that one would have to read a library of books to discover, all tied together with his own, well-educated personal insight and analysis.
Beginning with a discussion of the Constitution and its problems under federalist influences, Frank Conner takes the reader on a journey exploring the chain of events that led to the financial exploitation of the South, to full-scale war, and to the so-called reconstruction that followed. Mr. Conner skillfully shows how through the previous decades the stage of war was set, and how the same influences that guided Lincoln into mortal combat in 1861 continued to exploit Dixie through the rest of that century and right up to the present day.
Read Chapter 1
In Siege, not only will you learn of political maneuverings and the influence of greed, but also how social trends were affected through the distinct philosophies and religious beliefs held by the two great regions of the nation. Mr. Conner unabashedly proclaims the power of God's saving grace, as was once witnessed in the old time, reformation style Calvinism of Colonial America; and shows how the North's Pelagian Arminianism and Unitarianism propelled that section of the nation as much as Southern Calvinism motivated the Confederates.
The modernist will be happy to find that Mr. Conner accurately depicts the horrors of the slave trade, but may be dismayed at being reminded it was the 'abolitionist' northern slave traders that perpetrated the deeds. Said modernist may also be saddened to read how in the following century, the same genre of northerners succeeded in creating a new slave state through so-called civil rights and other methods of social engineering. Events that seem, to the casual observer, as random, meaningless happenings take on new meanings as the dots of time are connected between each page of the book.
Frank Conner is a master at showing how nothing in politics happens by accident, and gives the reader the education a schoolteacher could never give and keep her job. Intricate business dealings; back-room politics; public and private opinions; the power of God working in men - all are brought to one place for easy digestion, education, and enjoyment. Yes - it is truly a joy to finally understand why things are the way they are, for in Siege you will find condensed all the facts you need to tie the loose ends of American history together. Siege is a must-read for any American concerned about the future of this land.
He drives a chick car. Figures..........
“2010 Honda CR-V. Silver.
He drives a chick car. Figures..........”
It’s an Obama car!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
“The modernist will be happy to find that Mr. Conner accurately depicts the horrors of the slave trade, but may be dismayed at being reminded it was the ‘abolitionist’ northern slave traders that perpetrated the deeds. Said modernist may also be saddened to read how in the following century, the same genre of northerners succeeded in creating a new slave state through so-called civil rights and other methods of social engineering.”(Goldberg)
Kinda funny how history repeats itself, huh?
How many cars you got up on blocks in your front yard?
None, of course? What's the matter with you? Cowboys drive trucks, not cars.
We can't all be smart like Southerners and carry a spare in case our car breaks down.
“I suggested that the Cleyburne proposal offered a window into the mindset of the confederate rebels in 1863. The placement of the apostrophe was as unfortunate as your persnickety attitude about it. But then hyper-literalism is the trademark of neo-reb demagogues like yourself, who run from objective truth about the Civil War like vampires from sunshine.”
I have no issues with typos, make way too many of them myself. But, I thought that was what you meant. I don’t think it prudent to put words in another’s mouth so I asked too be sure.
Well, other than General Cleyburn, you have no clue what was on the mind of the Rebs in 1863, nor anyone else at any time, through the General’s writings. Pretty broad brush you use there.
Let’s see, now I’m persnickety, a neo-reb, a demagogue, and evidently a vampire too. Any other names you’d like to add? If not, then please clarify just exactly what objective truth, about the Civil War, that I’m running from.
What's wrong with that one? It's has a very low carbon footprint, something that you libs get really excited about.
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