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Who are the real conspiracy theorists?
WND ^ | 3/1/2010 | Joseph Farrah

Posted on 03/01/2010 3:51:30 AM PST by patlin

There are many in the press today caricaturing me as a "conspiracy theorist" simply because I, like millions of other Americans, insist on actually seeing proof of Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility.

I've never alleged a conspiracy. Obama was given a free pass by an opponent who had his own eligibility issues. Not much of a conspiracy necessary – especially with Obama accountable only to a fawning press and scared-of-their-shadows Republicans.

But "conspiracy theorist" is an easy epithet to hurl.

One good question to ask, the next time you hear someone call me that name, is this: "Who is Joseph Farah conspiring with?"

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KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; conspiracytheory; farah; fraud; josephfarah; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; obama; wnd
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To: DJ MacWoW

Please respect for our Kenyan president. He, his wife, and his reverend think America sucks. In America, even dual citizens are entitled to their opinion.

Now that the NBC clause is useless, I hope someday we can elect a Hot babe from Thailand who wheres bikinis to press conferences. This Goofy looking Kenyan ..... I’m sick of his face.


261 posted on 03/01/2010 7:00:32 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: DJ MacWoW
I am a veteran. I bled for my country. Mocking that says far more about you than it ever will about me.
262 posted on 03/01/2010 7:01:20 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative
They bet it all with foreigners in their army.

My family weren't foreigners.

Your xenophobia is showing.

Every bit of this is true: “Family in Kenya, best friend, Chandoo, from Pakistan, lived in Indonesia and lived in Hawaii where the mainland is held in contempt.”

It depends on the law

Yes. Only a Natural Born Citizen of two citizen parents. That l;eaves out Obama.

263 posted on 03/01/2010 7:01:42 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: tired_old_conservative
The quotes you cite simply support the fact that NBC is a requirement for President, which needs no support since it is in the Constitution. They say nothing about requiring two citizen parents.

Would you believe US census records from 1790-1880 where in children born to an alien father on US soil were considered aliens themselves? ____________________________________________

Congressional testimony from 1892 on the US population from 1790-1880, who were the natives and who were the aliens/foreigners and the natives were not the immediate offspring of alien fathers. This is directly from automated text so the spelling may be a bit off.

Mr Schade: Now, these figures were published at that time in various magazines, and I dare say they have been accepted by European statisticians as most trustworthy in ascertaining as to what this country has gained in population through immigration.

Now, I have made another calculation. I have gone up to 1890. Taking 1.38, which annual rate has been recognized by the census of 1870 as correct, I have found that the population of this country in 1890 would have been—that is, if there had been no immigration since 1790— 12,726,033, instead of 56,000,000, leaving out the 8,000,000 colored people. I intend to be as liberal as possible. Having added the 8,000,000 of negroes to those 12,726,000,1 will add another 5,000,000 thereby increasing the population to 25,000,000. Every fair-minded man will concede that I am as liberal as I possibly can be. I am, therefore, justified to claim that of the 64,000,000 people who inhabit this country at the present time 25,000,000 are such as have a right to say that they descend from the people who were here at the time of the First Census in 1790, and the balance (about 40,000,000) are either foreign immigrants or are descendants of those who came here since 1790.

Now. I want to give you some proof, taken also from the census of 1880, showing that this assertion of mine, this calculation is correct. In 1880 the foreigners and their children (not grandchildren) outnumbered the natives in the following States(see chart in the records)

The CnAirman. Are you allowing the natives any childreu or only the foreigners?

x Mr. Schaue. I repeat again that this statement is taken from the census of 1880. The census stated, for instance, that the foreigners number so many and those born in this country of foreign parents were so many. By adding them together I construed the above table.

The Chairman. You compare those with the native born?

Mr. Schade. I give the foreigners and their children. I do not add their grandchildren, because I give them to the natives.

Representative Geissenhaineb. You do add the children?

Mr. Schade. Yes, sir.

Mr. Deily. I should like to ask the gentleman a question. There are about (35,000,000 people in the country to-day. Now, how has he figured the ratio of increase of the immigrants during that time, and does he mean to say that the ratio of increase of the immigrants and their children is over 40,000,000, while that of the natives is only 25,000,000?

Mr. Schade. Certainly.

Mr. Deily. Will the gentleman inform me how many immigrants have lauded in this country and what the ratio of increase has been, at the same rate he is figuring there?

Mr. Schade. Do you want me to answer?

Mr. Deily. Yes, sir.

Mr. Schade. I have taken the official 3,231,000 of 1790 as a basis for my calculation, giving them an annual increase of 1.38 per cent, the most favorable of any country. By that calculation I have shown you that our population, had there been no immigration since 1790, would. in 1890, have been about 25,000,000 instead of 64,000,000.

Senator Hale. Your figures, from 1790 to 1890, would show the native population, including the blacks, to be 25,000,000?

Mr. Schade. Yes, sir.

Senator Hale. And as the whole population of the United States is 65,000,000, you conclude from that that the other 40,000,000 are foreigners and their increase.

Mr. Schade. Yes, sir; foreigners and their children since 1790.

264 posted on 03/01/2010 7:01:43 PM PST by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: patlin
"THEY" are the conspiracy theorists.

Nobody knows who "THEY" are, but "THEY" are out to get you.

265 posted on 03/01/2010 7:02:49 PM PST by uglybiker (BACON!!)
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To: tired_old_conservative

forgot link:

http://books.google.com/books?id=-ShAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA54&dq=Immigration+and+Citizenship:+Process+and+Policy&lr=&as_brr=1&cd=71#v=onepage&q=born&f=false


266 posted on 03/01/2010 7:03:32 PM PST by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: tired_old_conservative; Las Vegas Ron
But I do understand that people like you hold no service to one’s country in regard if it conflicts with their need for emotional validation.

There was no reason to even make the claim except to try and validate yourself. You used the claim to play posters. "I'm a veteran!". It was a pure emotional ploy. The other troll claims to be from West Point.

267 posted on 03/01/2010 7:09:05 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: tired_old_conservative
It depends on the law, not vicious paranoia, which they clearly held in contempt.

After you are done expousing on that which you do not know about, and if your tired ole a** can still muster some gumption to actually read history, you can start with Washington's’ farewell address.

He begs to differ with you.

268 posted on 03/01/2010 7:09:32 PM PST by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: tired_old_conservative
Tired, if you could elect a hot babe from any country, what country would it be? Forget the NBC clause, for arguments sake we don't enforce that anymore if we like the candidate. So the sky is the limit now. Think of it like a mail order bride but she goes to the Whitehouse.
269 posted on 03/01/2010 7:11:33 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: tired_old_conservative
I am a veteran. I bled for my country. Mocking that says far more about you than it ever will about me.

Another purely emotional ploy. Sorry noob, everyone claims that. It's like the race card. Pull it out and get a free pass.

270 posted on 03/01/2010 7:12:32 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: tired_old_conservative
But I do understand that people like you hold no service to one’s country in regard if it conflicts with their need for emotional validation.

What an ass

271 posted on 03/01/2010 7:13:11 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: tired_old_conservative
First off, someone born here is not a foreigner (the example in question). That's currently settled law, and I think you expose more about your own underlying attitudes with an answer like that than you realize.

First off, Obama being born in Hawaii is under dispute. Second, being born here to foreigners where the person has another citizenship by inheritance to another country does not make that person natural born and therefore he would not be qualified to be president.

I fought a war for this country. I managed to avoid become grotesquely paranoid about anyone I could somehow characterize as “other” in some sense, especially my fellow citizens in a land of immigrants. I think the Founding Fathers were men enough to do the same.

No one is paranoid here except may be some of the After-birthers. This is the land where a natural born citizen is a requirement to be president, and the original intent of the Founding Father's NBC clause is de Vattel's citizen definition.

272 posted on 03/01/2010 7:16:22 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: tired_old_conservative

Tired, you have a purple heart? What war?


273 posted on 03/01/2010 7:18:46 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: DJ MacWoW
They’re always veterans. Or from West Point. What crap.

Yes, it's a typical modus operandi of trolls. We all know why they do it.

274 posted on 03/01/2010 7:20:06 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
Are you telling me we cant elect a Hot Thai Babe in a bikini? Please, say it aint so :(
275 posted on 03/01/2010 7:23:28 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Red Steel

Yup. It doesn’t validate their opinion and has nothing to do with Obama being ineligible. It’s supposed to touch our hearts and make us believe them. Pffft. That nut, Dale Robertson, who claims to be a Tea Party leader also said he was a Veteran. He served less than a year and lied about it.


276 posted on 03/01/2010 7:24:07 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: PA-RIVER
Are you telling me we cant elect a Hot Thai Babe in a bikini? Please, say it aint so :(

I'd say a Hot Thai Babe would be better at President than Obama. ;-)

277 posted on 03/01/2010 7:28:11 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: BP2

Beeps, beeps, beeps. What am I going to do with you? I leave for a while to grab some grub and here you go again. Big foot pictures. Obama is a liar.

Liars can be NBCs, too.

parsy, who has to figure a way to get beeps off the monkeys and big furry critters


278 posted on 03/01/2010 7:29:42 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Tired-Old said he bled for this country.

I'm grateful he survived to post on this thread. I feel like I'm in the presence of John Bassilone or Audie Murphy. I'll remember this day for ever.

279 posted on 03/01/2010 7:31:11 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: BP2

Here, you can read this all about Birthers and Conspiracy Psychology.

http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/113243.html

parsy, the helpful and accomodating


280 posted on 03/01/2010 7:32:45 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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