Yes, the dates of birth also differ.
You simply can’t say with certainty that the hospital registrar signed all of the certs on the same day. That doesn’t even make sense from a logistical perspective.
Isn’t more likely that the hospital registrar signed the certificate immediately after the physician signed it in front of her? Otherwise her signature is attesting to information that she personally did not witness.
Obama is born on the 4th. The twins are born on the 5th. Obama’s doctor is available to sign paperwork on the 8th. He signs, the hospital registrar signs and stamps date accepted/filed (whichever) because she IS an authorized registrar. She would have to record a date somewhere!
The twins’ doctor is available on the 11th to sign paperwork. He signs, the registrar signs and datestamps the certificate. She places the twins’ paperwork in her outgoing box to be sent to the state.
The state receives the paperwork. The twins’ paperwork is reviewed for accuracy. The state registrar stamps the certificate number at the top as her approval of the local registrar’s work. She moves on down the stack to Obama’s paperwork.
I’m not trying to convince you. I know you’ll believe what you want. Just consider that there are other plausible answers to your questions.
The date it was filed is not the date that the local registrar gets it. The date it was filed is the day that the STATE REGISTRAR puts a number on it.
For Obama’s to have a date filed of the 8th, it would have had to be stamped with a number at the state registrar’s office on Tuesday, Aug 8th.
For the Nordykes’ to have date filed of the 11th, they would have to be stamped with a number at the state registrar’s office on Friday, Aug 11th.
Why would the clerk at the state registrar’s office use a number on Friday that comes before the number he/she used on Tuesday?
And the reason I say the local registrar signed it right before taking it to the state registrar’s office is because that’s how the dates and signatures fall on every birth certificate I’ve seen from Kapiolani during the statehood era.
Except one. There is one case where Friday was a national holiday (Christmas Eve) so the local registrar didn’t sign it until the following Thursday - when he/she realized that, once again, the office was going to be closed on a Friday for New Year’s Eve and so the BC’s had to be signed and delivered to the DOH a day early.
It isn’t a hospital registrar. The registrar is a local functionary, an employee of the state. On mine it is CK Hada who was listed as a “Deputy” in the box labled “11a Registrar-signature”. Remember my Long form is a bit different than the Nordyke form, they changed them in the 8 years between my birth and the Nordyke twins.
Be that as it may, the Dr. who delivered me signed it the 13th, and it was filed by the registrar the next day. The Registrar was clearly not present when the document was signed by the Dr. because that registrar dated his(her?) signature for the 14th, the date it was filed by the state.
Registrars are likely not present when the Dr. signs the forms.
You simply can’t say with certainty that the hospital registrar signed all of the certs on the same day. That doesn’t even make sense from a logistical perspective.
Isn’t more likely that the hospital registrar signed the certificate immediately after the physician signed it in front of her? Otherwise her signature is attesting to information that she personally did not witness.
Obama is born on the 4th. The twins are born on the 5th. Obama’s doctor is available to sign paperwork on the 8th. He signs, the hospital registrar signs and stamps date accepted/filed (whichever) because she IS an authorized registrar. She would have to record a date somewhere!
The twins’ doctor is available on the 11th to sign paperwork. He signs, the registrar signs and datestamps the certificate. She places the twins’ paperwork in her outgoing box to be sent to the state.
The state receives the paperwork. The twins’ paperwork is reviewed for accuracy. The state registrar stamps the certificate number at the top as her approval of the local registrar’s work. She moves on down the stack to Obama’s paperwork.
I’m not trying to convince you. I know you’ll believe what you want. Just consider that there are other plausible answers to your questions.
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You could be right.
Of course, there is a simple way to prove whether you are correct or not: Have Hawaii officials and President Obama simply release Obama's 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate that will tell us if there are a doctor name and a hospital name on it.
1. Still, I have problems with your timeline concerning the Nordyke birth certificates.
2.For instance, in your timeline, you have the Nordyke twins' birth certificates stamped on Aug. 11 by the hospital registrar, who next put the certificates in his/her outgoing box to be sent to the state.
3. My question is this: If the registrar stamped and signed Obama's birth certificate on Aug. 8, did the registrar also put Obama's certificate in her outbox to be sent to the state on the same day, as you say?
4. That is, where did Obama's certificate, the one you claim could have been signed by the registrar on Aug.8, sit between Aug. 8 and Aug. 11, when the Nordyke twins' certificate was signed?
5. That is, it seems to me that if the registrar signed Obama's certificate on Aug. 8, then that would be the day that he/she put it in her outbox to be sent to the state, if we are to apply your theory about the Nordyke twins' certificates: The registrar signed the Nordyke twins' certificate on Aug. 11 and put it in her outbox and sent it to the state on the same Aug. 11.
6. So my question to you is this: Could you explain again how Obama's birth certificate filed on Aug.8 has a HIGHER number than the Nordyke twins' certificates, even though the Nordyke twins' certificates were accepted/fled THREE days later on Aug. 11?
7. I'm sorry, but it seems more logical/reasonable to me that Obama's birth certificate should have a lower number than the Nordyke twins' certificates, because Obama's certificate was filed on Aug. 8 while the Nordyke twins' certificates was filed on Aug.11, three days AFTER Obama's certificate was filed.
8. In my opinion, the flaw in your theory is this: You cannot explain where Obama's Aug.8 certificate was sitting between Aug.8 and Aug.11, when the Nordyke twins' certificates were filed/accepted.
9. That is, was it still in the registrar's inbox or outbox? Was it still in the hospital, or was it lost temporarily in an office in the Department of Health, and so the Department of Health did not get around to stamping a number on it until AFTER it had stamped the Nordyke twins' certificates?
10. I'm sorry, but the idea that Obama's certificate sat forgotten in a Department of Health clerk's office until AFTER the Nordyke twins' certificates were stamped with a number seems unbelievable to me.