Posted on 12/05/2009 3:41:40 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing
I'm all for Ralph Nader running again. I'd love for Howard Dean to get fed up or some other Democrat to get fed up with Obama and I'd love for a third party of Democrats and liberals to establish itself. I want all kinds of liberals to line and up run in third parties. That's how we weaken their side. As for our side, the focus must be to take back the Republican Party. That's the way you win. You can draw attention to yourself by denouncing both parties at the same time, and you can think that you're relating to a whole lot of people or being disabused and forgotten about, but you do a grave disservice in doing so because you're never going to win anything. You're going to guarantee Democrat victory in perpetuity. We need a strong conservative movement that takes back the Republican Party and then we have a strong Republican Party. It's hard work but it is happening.
I haven't read the whole thread, but I haven't seen any of those, EV. Would you mind pointing one of the "Republican Party before anything posters?"
btw, I agree that the Republican party as it now functions "is toast," but strongly believe with Sarah Palin, that the Republican party is the only viable means for the conservative ascendency to take power. (And it will without interference from third parties who drain from our political potential).
Going no further.
I can't be against the slaughter of the unborn and against homosexual marriage and be a Constitutionalist, in your view.
No words.
If you’re trusting in personalities instead of principles, you’re toast. You just don’t know it yet.
The Federal government politically, through illegal means via the Supreme Court, allowed the murder of unborn Americans.
They violated the Constitution with Roe v. Wade. Do you not agree?
We are not talking about "MY moral standards" when we are talking about the sanctity of life, are we? Are we not talking about the Founding Fathers' ideal of the "right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?" Are we not talking about a violation of the Constitution when we are allowing the unborn to be slaughtered at the whim of the powerful? Is this the "common good?" Do you approve of this abject, dark violation of the Constitution?
btw, you do not "KNOW" I advocate anything, because you have never asked. You ASSUME I do, and you know what that makes you......
But the question remains, are you?
btw, you didn't answer my question. WHO are these Republicans uber alles folks on this thread you spoke of?
There are glimmers of hope within the party leadership, but the real power lies in the people.
Those of us who are fed up with the party need to work in each of our districts and states to support the strongest conservatives available. We need to encourage people like Doug Hoffman (a Republican) to run for office in the primaries, and then we need to work our tails off to get them elected.
As it stands right now, there is no other means to regain power. A third party will divide conservatives and destroy us for a lifetime.
btw, typing on the internet is not helping conservatism. We need boots on the ground. Workers. Writers. Callers. Screamers.
“...Money and Whores.
They do seem to go together do they not?”
Not necessarily. There are SOME things a self-respecting whore will refuse to do.
I stated, as you would have seen had you READ what I wrote, that the STATES should have jurisdiction over CRIMES. NOT the Feddies. Murder is a crime, last I looked. And killing the pre-born is murder. Thus it is a STATE matter and not a FEDERAL matter. There is a clear VICTIM here: the pre-born BABY.
You may also be against same-sex “marriage” AT THE STATE LEVEL. Marriage is NOT a legitimate concern of the Federal government.
Damn, you’ve got a hard head.
I would say the same thing about your head. I consider it a compliment for us both. :)
WTF kind of comment is that to be directed to a long-time conservative FReeper? Get lost.
Thanks for the great freedom points. I have also pointed out on this thread that we got many socially conservative republicans(some here) that love big government, as long as a republican is in power and their taxes don't go up. Short sighted since Rs cant stay in power forever. I call these the Bush/McCain lovers. National Review did an article on this about five years ago.
A great example was the federal ban on partial birth abortions. Great politics, but hardly a law pushed by those that care about those constitutional principles of freedom. No reason states can't do this. But many who post about ‘the constitution’ as a defense for their positions like overturning Roe vs Wade love this law.
OhioWbot gets her facts from Hannity, who rallies the dumber of us to Bush/McCain. She is about as bright as Elizabeth Hasselhoff, Hannity's fan.
Kind of like: "If we vote third party, then everything will be OK."
Yeah right. Do what you want, pal... I don't give a crap.
For the record and opposing those who lie for sport.
I dont remember pinging you today, I dont want to break the OWFan rules again. Glad you read my posts anyway without pings. Cheers!
Hey, I agree, but lately it seems FReepers are accusing just about everybody (other than Sarah, Duncan Hunter or Fred Thompson) of being a RINO. What if we're faced with Obama vs Pawlenty in 2012? Are we supposed to write in Alan Keyes or something?
I am unhappy with the Repblican party but the past two years or so have convinced me totally that those who say with George Wallace that, “There’s not a dime’s worth of difference” are in grievious error. Bad as the Republican’s can be comparing them to the Democrats is like comparing a mosquito bite to that of a pit viper.
When I think about it all my anger with the Republicans come from the times when they act like Democrats. That is not all the time as some would have us believe. We do have some people like Jim Demint in the party and as a South Carolinian I am as proud of him as I am ashamed of our other Senator. There is a reason why we speak of “Rinos” but never of “Dinos”. There are no Democrats I know of who are traitors to the leftist agenda.
george w bush was a marginal president, had it not been for 9/11 and the effort to punch back at the worse of the evils, he wouldve been regarded as no better than mccain...
I nearly sat out in 2000 when he said he would sign AWBII...but allowed myself to be coerced by the same ole 'sky is fallin' rhetoric to vote against the goracle...
pretty much the same 4 yrs later with shamnesty, mccain/feingold in the hopper, but alas, we had troops engaged and none other than j f [ served in vietnam] kerry, so in their interest, i voted against him...
'WE' [read as all of my pingees] conservative FREE people dont 'need' the rin-o-p...we will make the best and protect our families...but to ever win, the rin-o-p needs to clean house, put hat in hand and 'represent' the citizens in tradional American/Constitutional values...
anything less and i'll simply trust the Lord and take care of my family first...
do NOT ask me to compromise with evil again...
It has been fact. We have all kinds.
Then there are those that will shift for enough pay offs, or other pork that entrenches them with in their state.
Personal preferred.MO
btw, whatever happened to Levin? How did it change to Hannity?
(Hint: When you tell the truth, you don't have to work so hard to remember what you said last time).
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