[BP2]

What's REALLY ironic is that BOTH McCain (definitely) and Obama (unconfirmed, but likely) may BOTH
had been born on territory owned via a "land lease".

McCain, born in Panama in 1936, was born not on American territory, but on land that was leased by the US until surrendered in 1999.
I do not wish to debate this topic regarding McCain, but here's more on that for those who haven't seen it:
Why Senator John Mccain Cannot Be President -- Eleven Months and a Hundred Yards Short of Citizenship -- by Gabriel J. Chin (FINAL)

The area surrounding Mombasa was also leased, by the UK, until surrendered in 1963.
Kenya CONTINUED to lease the same land from the Sultan of Zanzibar, thus Obama MAY actually
be a native born citizen of Zanzibar! This MAY be an explanation as to why tracking down his
paperwork may be difficult to find in Kenya.

Here's my proof on the LEASE from my own research (this is NOT in the history books).

First, find Mombasa on THIS map (bottom right):

Next, see here on this HARD TO FIND reference on this subject:

Finally, this is from an Official Kenyan Report on this matter:

The Constitution of Kenya Review Commission - [Cached Version]
Published on: 9/1/2002

Robertson further recommended that the British Government abrogate the 1895 Agreement with the Sultan of Zanzibar
and that another Agreement be made between the Government of Kenya and the Sultan of Zanzibar whereby the Sultan of Zanzibar
will surrender his Sovereignty claims over the Coastal strip in consideration of the Kenya Government undertaking to respect
and safeguarding inter alia the maintenance of the Sharia Law for Muslims and the retention of the Kadhi’s Courts.
...

On the 5th October 1963, the said Agreement was actually executed in the form
of an exchange of letters between the Prime Ministers of Kenya and
Zanzibar Messrs Jomo Kenyatta and M. Shamte respectively.

SO, Obama may ACTUALLY be a native born citizen of Zanzibar,
with the records of his birth retained within the Muslim Kadhi Court system!

FYI: Kadhi courts deal with divorce, marriage and inheritance cases (proved via a birth certificate)
in the Muslim community. A Muslim who commits a crime that cannot be handled by the Kadhi courts
is punished according to Kenyan law. So information on Obama SR may be there, as well as a marriage
certificate if Obama SR and Ann Dunham were married there in Feb 1961.

[afraidfortherepublic]

Very interesting. Can you get that info to someone in a position to do something about it?

[MestaMachine]

Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:44:33 AM · 7,194 of 8,487
MestaMachine to BP2
I agree, and after having destroyed my eyesight reading not only this thread, but everything elsr from here to Zanzibar, I am putting all but one egg in this basket.
I am saving the last one for breakfast.
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Zanzibar seems to be the key.

[David]

The area surrounding Mombasa was also leased, by the UK, until surrendered in 1963. Kenya CONTINUED to lease the same land from the Sultan of Zanzibar, thus Obama MAY actually be a native born citizen of Zanzibar! This MAY be an explanation as to why tracking down his paperwork may be difficult to find in Kenya. Here's my proof on the LEASE from my own research (this is NOT in the history books).

Robertson further recommended that the British Government abrogate the 1895 Agreement with the Sultan of Zanzibar and that another Agreement be made between the Government of Kenya and the Sultan of Zanzibar whereby the Sultan of Zanzibar will surrender his Sovereignty claims over the Coastal strip in consideration of the Kenya Government undertaking to respect and safeguarding inter alia the maintenance of the Sharia Law for Muslims and the retention of the Kadhi’s Courts. ... On the 5th October 1963, the said Agreement was actually executed in the form of an exchange of letters between the Prime Ministers of Kenya and Zanzibar Messrs Jomo Kenyatta and M. Shamte respectively.

OK well how do you get by the October 1963 letter agreement--according to some source which has now been erased or edited, the form of those letters was that Zanzibar ceded control and released any claim of sovereignty over the Coast Province to "the Republic of Kenya" which Republic of Kenya did not then exist?

One thing I didn't do was pull up the documents establishing Republic of Kenya--you don't suppose that the rest of Kenyatta was surrendered and attached to the ten mile strip that had previously been the Coast Province of Zanzibar which had been really established as the "Republic of Kenya" by the October 1963 agreement.

Pretty clearly the form of those letter agreements is why the birth certificate recites the place that was issuing the certificate as the "Republic of Kenya" in February 1964.

And no, I don't think the McCain deal is similar because the lease was to the US--so that is being seized as an excuse to call him "sort of a natural born citizen"--if it were leased to Zanzibar or the Republic of Kenya, no one would say that.

And the hospital in Colon was clearly outside the zone.