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To: BP2
The area surrounding Mombasa was also leased, by the UK, until surrendered in 1963. Kenya CONTINUED to lease the same land from the Sultan of Zanzibar, thus Obama MAY actually be a native born citizen of Zanzibar! This MAY be an explanation as to why tracking down his paperwork may be difficult to find in Kenya. Here's my proof on the LEASE from my own research (this is NOT in the history books).

Robertson further recommended that the British Government abrogate the 1895 Agreement with the Sultan of Zanzibar and that another Agreement be made between the Government of Kenya and the Sultan of Zanzibar whereby the Sultan of Zanzibar will surrender his Sovereignty claims over the Coastal strip in consideration of the Kenya Government undertaking to respect and safeguarding inter alia the maintenance of the Sharia Law for Muslims and the retention of the Kadhi’s Courts. ... On the 5th October 1963, the said Agreement was actually executed in the form of an exchange of letters between the Prime Ministers of Kenya and Zanzibar Messrs Jomo Kenyatta and M. Shamte respectively.

OK well how do you get by the October 1963 letter agreement--according to some source which has now been erased or edited, the form of those letters was that Zanzibar ceded control and released any claim of sovereignty over the Coast Province to "the Republic of Kenya" which Republic of Kenya did not then exist?

One thing I didn't do was pull up the documents establishing Republic of Kenya--you don't suppose that the rest of Kenyatta was surrendered and attached to the ten mile strip that had previously been the Coast Province of Zanzibar which had been really established as the "Republic of Kenya" by the October 1963 agreement.

Pretty clearly the form of those letter agreements is why the birth certificate recites the place that was issuing the certificate as the "Republic of Kenya" in February 1964.

And no, I don't think the McCain deal is similar because the lease was to the US--so that is being seized as an excuse to call him "sort of a natural born citizen"--if it were leased to Zanzibar or the Republic of Kenya, no one would say that.

And the hospital in Colon was clearly outside the zone.

8,490 posted on 08/10/2009 1:14:35 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: David
OK well how do you get by the October 1963 letter agreement--according to some source which has now been erased or edited, the form of those letters was that Zanzibar ceded control and released any claim of sovereignty over the Coast Province to "the Republic of Kenya" which Republic of Kenya did not then exist?

The republic of Kenya did not FORMALLY exist in 1963, except possibly for the 10-mile strip itself, when it became a "sovereign state" before (the rest of) Kenya became independent on Dec 12, 1963.

IT IS UNIQUE. This would explain how the "Republic of Kenya" might have existed before Dec 12, 1964, as just the 10-Mile Strip as a "sovereign state" -- they did not want to be annexed (back) by Zanzibar if they changed their mind after the Brits loosened their grip. Look at the archive of the Kenyan 2002 report -- it talks about the fact the Brits were concerned the locals would renege on their pre-independence agreements.

you don't suppose that the rest of Kenyatta was surrendered and attached to the ten mile strip that had previously been the Coast Province of Zanzibar which had been really established as the "Republic of Kenya" by the October 1963 agreement.

No, just the 10-Mile Strip AFAIK. That is, the Republic of Kenya existed BEFORE the Republic of Kenya existed! Those letters should be archived in Kenay, Zanzibar, as well as the British National Archives (BNA).

8,492 posted on 08/10/2009 1:39:42 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: David; hoosiermama; Fred Nerks; LucyT
IT IS UNIQUE. This would explain how the "Republic of Kenya" might have existed before Dec 12, 1964, as just the 10-Mile Strip as a "sovereign state" -- they did not want to be annexed (back) by Zanzibar if they changed their mind after the Brits loosened their grip.

Zanzibar gained its independence from the British on Dec. 10, 1963, TWO days before Kenya did on Dec. 12, 1963.

This is why the 10-mile (6 KM) Strip declared a "sovereign state", informally the "republic of Kenya" otherwise it might be annexed BACK by Zanzibar.

8,493 posted on 08/10/2009 2:06:05 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: David; BP2; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; ...
Thanks, BP2 and David.

Zanzibar?

Check out # 8,484, then see David's comment at # 8,490, - then read to end of page.

8,496 posted on 08/10/2009 2:39:35 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: David
And the hospital in Colon was clearly outside the zone.

Yes, but his having been born in that hospital is much less clear. Not that it matters, McCain will not run again...

OTOH, it might matter since he was the only candidate to get electoral votes for President, other than the Messiah.

8,538 posted on 08/10/2009 6:16:09 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: David
And the hospital in Colon was clearly outside the zone.

Yes, but his having been born in that hospital is much less clear. Not that it matters, McCain will not run again...

OTOH, it might matter since he was the only candidate to get electoral votes for President, other than the Messiah.

8,539 posted on 08/10/2009 6:16:19 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: David

David, I’ve been trying to access the first Code for the State of Virginia wherein Jefferson, IIRC, wrote Virginia’s first citizenship laws about 1776-77. So far everything I’ve found has been behind paywalls. Do you happen to have access to them somewhere? If so, would you be interested in quoting from the Codes relating to Virginia’s categories of citizenship at birth and by naturalization? As I recall, there were same persons who remained aliens even when born in Virginia as the Code was first written, whereas New York adopted the English common-law jus soli doctrine in its first state constitution.


9,032 posted on 08/13/2009 11:17:05 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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