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Can you please state which section of the law specifically states that the father must be a citizen in order to be a "natural born citizen"?

Also, if that is the case, then why all this effort about the BC? If he is disqualified on this simple basis, then what happens next?

An article was written no long ago referencing "Obama losing control of the military" because of this mess. One way or another thus must be resolved now.

Can you please state which section of the law specifically states that the father must be a citizen in order to be a "natural born citizen"?

The Constitution is the supreme law, and it contains legal terms, with a specific, known definition evident in the writing of them. There are many terms of art used in the Constitution, not just in the one instance referring to "natural born citizen."

The only confusion as to the intended, original meaning of the term "natural born citizen" arises from deliberate obfuscation created by a tortured interpretation of the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment dealt with extending the rights and obligations of citizenship to former slaves. It did not and does not, however, alter eligibility requirements for the office of President.

Unfortunately, the military appears already to have punted. Officers sign an oath to defend and protect the constitution. They are well aware that there is at least uncertainty about Obama’s eligibility. If we take Obama at his word, his father is an alien. The Supreme Court is a court of appeals. We appear to have a legal system without the integrity, or courage, to take a case. They hide behind protocol. It is appearing more and more as if saving the constitution will be up to “The People”. That is probably why Obama has announced his intention to create a civilian army, as large and well-funded as our existing federal army. It is becoming more clear, as our long term unemployment moves past 15 percent, and other economy fails, that the source of the civilian army, already assigned to public hearings, will come from the SEIU, and other unions who will not find other than government jobs when federal "revenue" (I hate that double speak) is down 57%.

Obama is probably a Title 8 citizen, though he has never applied for naturalization, though there is even doubt about that. If he was born in Hawaii he is a citizen, but can never be natural born. The most unassailable verification of that fact is the edit of the Constitution made between the June 18 draft and the July 25 suggestion to G. Washington by John Jay that the president's requirements be strengthened to require a natural born citizen. It was all about allegiance, and discussed at length by Madison in The Federalist Papers.

Read Leo Donofrio’s article at his blog.

Can you please state which section of the law specifically states that the father must be a citizen in order to be a "natural born citizen"?

I just did...I posted the text of the 14th Amendment.

That text specifically calls a "person born" in the United States a "citizen", it also calls a person naturalized a "citizen". The Amendment denies the States the power to abridge these citizen's all "privileges or immunities".

So, persons born and naturalized enjoy equal standing under the Constitution...except that naturalized citizens cannot be President. So it stands to reason that if under the 14th Amendment, citizens by geography, and citizens by act of Congress are equal, simply being a person born in the United States does not meet the Constitutional standard of "natural born citizen".

If there was a section of the law detailing such a thing as hat you are asking for, there would be no debate. Lacking that, one must look to the historical records surrounding the composition of the Constitution...the phrase "natural born citizen" must have had a very specific meaning to the Framers, otherwise they wouldn't have bothered to include it.

I believe that meaning can be found in Vattel's "Law of Nations", and that a natural born citizen is an individual to whom citizenship is a birthright passed on from his or her parents.

"...why all this effort about the BC?"

I believe it to be a distraction, and a subterfuge.

When he provides that BC, Obama will claim the matter settled, and make a whole lot of people look very foolish, completely avoiding the real issue of his Constitutional eligibility.

Requiem æternam dona eis, Domine; In memoria æterna erit justus, ab auditione mala non timebit.

Beauseant!

7,928 posted on Friday, August 07, 2009 18:28:36 by 1-Eagle

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To: Lancelot Jones

Can you please state which section of the law specifically states that the father must be a citizen in order to be a "natural born citizen"?

Also, if that is the case, then why all this effort about the BC? If he is disqualified on this simple basis, then what happens next?

An article was written no long ago referencing "Obama losing control of the military" because of this mess. One way or another thus must be resolved now.

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