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To: jcsjcm; LucyT; null and void; little jeremiah; politicalmerc
"that if it came out that Obama was born in Hawaii (he wasn't)," I am becoming increasingly curious as to your statements that keep popping up in your threads. Your (statements) instill in me that you know something and it will only be a matter of time before it all comes out. It's providing me with a ray of hope, but I'm not quite sure if your statements are of opinion or of known fact. Please tell me they are of known fact.......

Well I do know some things that I haven't posted. We are operating in an environment in which the enemy has great power and has in fact exercised some fairly serious muscle against individuals who have been involved in this topic.

I think the ultimate question of fact is whether he was born in Kenya or Hawaii.

I initially resolve that issue fairly clearly myself because in late 2007 and early 2008, there were still lots of pieces of hard evidence. It was obvious that the Hawaii Birth Document didn't certify anything about the birth record but was simply glorified hearsay--and also fraudulent which made you wonder why they had to fraud it.

There were lots of secondary reports of statements by people with first hand knowledge that he was born in Kenya; Barack himself somewhere said his mother was in Kenya 72 hours before he was born--how did she get back and when. The Susan Blake video interview was particularly compelling to me because I have some direct personal first hand knowledge of the BOAC track between British East Africa and the West Coast of the US in that time period.

On balance, if you got to a judicial determination of fact based on the bare record at that time, even if you didn't have the conclusive record; an independent trier of fact, knowing what I knew then, would have come to the unshakable conclusion that Obama was born in Kenya. And around that time period, I did learn of an original record (which may or may not see the light of day).

I just don't see any room for doubt on the basic factual question--he was born in Kenya.

Now having said that, you need to keep in mind that many times, the legal argument doesn't always come out with a result that even reflects the facts.

The consequences to the modern US polity of this battle ought to be material. The government might fall.

So in that context, no one should have any real comfort in how the end game will play out. Any forecast at this point is likely to be incomplete at best.

7,488 posted on 08/06/2009 12:35:52 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: David; jcsjcm; LucyT; null and void; little jeremiah; politicalmerc

Why doesn’t someone search all of the old hospital records for his mother and determine if in fact she was admitted on the days in question?

She is dead, so they can’t stop this type of research.


7,492 posted on 08/06/2009 12:38:49 PM PDT by stockpirate ("The time for talking is past, now is the time for taking action." Barack Obama 2008)
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‘Punkin’ the Birthers: Priceless’ [pictures supposedly from forger of Kenya BC]

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Punkin’ the Birthers: Priceless

7,493 posted on 08/06/2009 12:39:33 PM PDT by deport
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To: David

Barack himself somewhere said his mother was in Kenya 72 hours before he was born
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Where did he say that ???

Did he say when she left again ???

Did she arrive and then have Obama 3 days later ???

It might have been a Kenyan thing...

Sons must be born in Kenya...


7,504 posted on 08/06/2009 12:46:40 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: David; Jim Robinson; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; BP2; ...
Thanks again, David.

I just don't see any room for doubt on the basic factual question--he was born in Kenya.

Now having said that, you need to keep in mind that many times, the legal argument doesn't always come out with a result that even reflects the facts.

The consequences to the modern US polity of this battle ought to be material. The government might fall.

The government might fall.

Check out #7,488

and #7,509.

7,638 posted on 08/06/2009 3:19:03 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: David

Excellent post and I agree. He’s hiding, they think they have covered all of the bases. Time will tell if they have. The more people he pisses off, the greater the chances someone decides to out him. Please add me to your ping list. TY


7,659 posted on 08/06/2009 3:45:51 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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