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To: Spaulding
No, it was not U.S. territory. McCain was born in a hospital in Colon, not even on the army base

It was a Navy base, and how do you know he was born in Colon. Forged birth records were around before B. Hussein you know, and a quick look shows the "long form" Certificate to be fake, while the abstract is likely also fake.

McCain and his mother, who should know, maintain he was born on the Coco Solo Naval Base. Yes, I know they didn't have a hospital, but so what? In 1936 home births were still common in the US, let alone on US Naval Base. The father in law of the mother to be was an Admiral. The Doctor, and there was one at the Base, *would* make a house call. He probably did so routinely. He had a dispensery to work out of but in those days, birth at home was pretty much the "default". I know that while the hospital I was born in (in '49) was pretty much complete by 1930, their first birth was not until 1942, just 7 years before my own.The other, then smaller, hospital in the town also did not "do births" in the 1930s, AFAIK. And this was in the state capital and second largest city in the state.

7,187 posted on 08/05/2009 11:33:43 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato; Brytani; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; ...

DON’T MISS THIS ... I don’t know if “convert” applies exactly, but Kerchner discusses in detail his theory about the birth cert, and mentioned that there would be a decision on his case this week. Also gets into McCain’s status as a citizen.

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Monday, August 3, 2009
Charles Kerchner, Lead Plaintiff in the Kerchner v Obama & Congress Lawsuit, converts Bill Cunningham into a Birther

Charles Kerchner, Lead Plaintiff in the Kerchner v Obama & Congress Lawsuit, converts Talk Show Radio Host Bill Cunningham of 700 WLW of Cincinnati, Ohio into a Birther.

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

Hi all.

I waited 1 1/2 hours on the line but got on during the last hour of the Bill Cunningham Show out of Cincinnati, Ohio, on Sunday night, 2 Aug 2009. “Willie” Cunningham was challenging people to give him a credible explanation as to how those two birth announcements got into the Honolulu newspapers if Obama was not born in Hawaii.

So I decided to try and get on the show to explain it to him. It was a long, long wait, but I finally got on in the last 15 minutes of the show.

I finally got on during the last 10-15 minutes of the third hour of his show. Below is the link to the podcast. Use the scroll bar to fast advance to the last 15 minutes of the show if you don’t wish to listen to the whole 3rd hour segment of the show.

http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/CINCINNATI-OH/WLW-AM/090803_3_CUNNINGHAM.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&MARKET=CINCINNATI-OH&NG_FORMAT=newstalk&SITE_ID=1209&STATION_ID=WLW-AM&PCAST_AUTHOR=700WLW&PCAST_CAT=Talk_Radio&PCAST_TITLE=Bill_Cunningham_On_Demand

((Scroll forward to about 3/4 of the way thru the selection ))

Summarizing what I explained to Willie:

I explained to Willie how those two newspaper advertisements in the Honolulu Advertiser and the other paper have no independent probative value. It’s the garbage in garbage out data effect.

If the birth registration was a fraud perpetrated by the grandmother, then those newspaper filings made by the HI Health Dept to those two newspapers (which was standard practice for all births registered) are therefore fraudulent evidence too. I told him the reason grandma did it was to simply get her new Kenyan born grandson retro-active U.S. citizenship, a valued and desirable thing to have even back then.

Of course grandma when doing this never anticipated that her grandson would grow up to be the President one day and have this fraud and lie by her exposed. But it now is being exposed and that is what Obama is afraid of.

Grandma Dunham in Hawaii was a shrewd banker and business lady and had lots of lawyer friends at her bank and elsewhere to tell her how easy it was to do, i.e., file a phony birth record in Honolulu for her new grandson.

They surely told her the Hawaiian laws were so lax it would be very easy for grandma to do it via a simple mail-in birth registration form. No one from the Health Department ever checked the veracity of the facts for such filings by families back then registering a birth occurring at home, with no witnesses other than a family member.

So over the course of the discussion with Willie, I told him, yes there is probably a birth registered for Obama in Hawaii in the vital records database, but this vital record is a false registration in there, and that I did not believe that Obama was really born there in Hawaii based on the contradictory evidence being provided in Kenya by Obama’s Kenyan relatives.

And thus, Obama does not want the original birth registration documents released because it does not show he was born in any hospital, nor does it show any 3rd party independent non-family member witnesses, and this lack of corroborating evidence in the Hawaii records, will dispute what Obama has been telling everyone, i.e., that he was born in the Kapi’ olani Hospital.

Thus he’d be caught in another lie he’s telling to cover up the real truth. And thus, the testimony in Kenya will gain even more credibility if what Obama is saying happened in Hawaii does not check out via the original birth registration documents.

Willie got it. It sunk in. At the end of my segment with Willie he says he’s converting to a Birther. Maybe Willie will pass on what he’s learned to Hannity and some of his other talk radio friends.

Charles F. Kerchner, Jr.
CDR USNR Retired
Lead Plaintiff

Kerchner v Obama & Congress

For more details on the lawsuit see: http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

P.S. And if you want to help the current advertising and educational project also visit: http://www.protectourliberty.org/


7,199 posted on 08/05/2009 11:56:25 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: El Gato; Brytani; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; ...

DON’T MISS THIS ... I don’t know if “convert” applies exactly, but Kerchner discusses in detail his theory about the birth cert, and mentioned that there would be a decision on his case this week. Also gets into McCain’s status as a citizen.

__________________________________________________

Monday, August 3, 2009
Charles Kerchner, Lead Plaintiff in the Kerchner v Obama & Congress Lawsuit, converts Bill Cunningham into a Birther

Charles Kerchner, Lead Plaintiff in the Kerchner v Obama & Congress Lawsuit, converts Talk Show Radio Host Bill Cunningham of 700 WLW of Cincinnati, Ohio into a Birther.

Hi all.

I waited 1 1/2 hours on the line but got on during the last hour of the Bill Cunningham Show out of Cincinnati, Ohio, on Sunday night, 2 Aug 2009. “Willie” Cunningham was challenging people to give him a credible explanation as to how those two birth announcements got into the Honolulu newspapers if Obama was not born in Hawaii.

So I decided to try and get on the show to explain it to him. It was a long, long wait, but I finally got on in the last 15 minutes of the show.

I finally got on during the last 10-15 minutes of the third hour of his show. Below is the link to the podcast. Use the scroll bar to fast advance to the last 15 minutes of the show if you don’t wish to listen to the whole 3rd hour segment of the show.

http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/CINCINNATI-OH/WLW-AM/090803_3_CUNNINGHAM.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&MARKET=CINCINNATI-OH&NG_FORMAT=newstalk&SITE_ID=1209&STATION_ID=WLW-AM&PCAST_AUTHOR=700WLW&PCAST_CAT=Talk_Radio&PCAST_TITLE=Bill_Cunningham_On_Demand

((Scroll forward to about 3/4 of the way thru the selection ))

Summarizing what I explained to Willie:

I explained to Willie how those two newspaper advertisements in the Honolulu Advertiser and the other paper have no independent probative value. It’s the garbage in garbage out data effect.

If the birth registration was a fraud perpetrated by the grandmother, then those newspaper filings made by the HI Health Dept to those two newspapers (which was standard practice for all births registered) are therefore fraudulent evidence too. I told him the reason grandma did it was to simply get her new Kenyan born grandson retro-active U.S. citizenship, a valued and desirable thing to have even back then.

Of course grandma when doing this never anticipated that her grandson would grow up to be the President one day and have this fraud and lie by her exposed. But it now is being exposed and that is what Obama is afraid of.

Grandma Dunham in Hawaii was a shrewd banker and business lady and had lots of lawyer friends at her bank and elsewhere to tell her how easy it was to do, i.e., file a phony birth record in Honolulu for her new grandson.

They surely told her the Hawaiian laws were so lax it would be very easy for grandma to do it via a simple mail-in birth registration form. No one from the Health Department ever checked the veracity of the facts for such filings by families back then registering a birth occurring at home, with no witnesses other than a family member.

So over the course of the discussion with Willie, I told him, yes there is probably a birth registered for Obama in Hawaii in the vital records database, but this vital record is a false registration in there, and that I did not believe that Obama was really born there in Hawaii based on the contradictory evidence being provided in Kenya by Obama’s Kenyan relatives.

And thus, Obama does not want the original birth registration documents released because it does not show he was born in any hospital, nor does it show any 3rd party independent non-family member witnesses, and this lack of corroborating evidence in the Hawaii records, will dispute what Obama has been telling everyone, i.e., that he was born in the Kapi’ olani Hospital.

Thus he’d be caught in another lie he’s telling to cover up the real truth. And thus, the testimony in Kenya will gain even more credibility if what Obama is saying happened in Hawaii does not check out via the original birth registration documents.

Willie got it. It sunk in. At the end of my segment with Willie he says he’s converting to a Birther. Maybe Willie will pass on what he’s learned to Hannity and some of his other talk radio friends.

Charles F. Kerchner, Jr.
CDR USNR Retired
Lead Plaintiff

Kerchner v Obama & Congress

For more details on the lawsuit see: http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

P.S. And if you want to help the current advertising and educational project also visit: http://www.protectourliberty.org/

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/


7,201 posted on 08/05/2009 11:58:28 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: El Gato
I don't doubt that you are right El Gato. I read that the hospital was just a few hundred meters off base, and a claim regarding the birth certificate, and dismissed the rest of the details. It didn't much matter, but I should know that sources should be questioned. This is the first I've heard of his mother saying he was born on base. If mom said so, I'll buy it. Would that mom had run for President with Sarah Palin. But it wouldn't make any difference, according to Gabriel Chin in the Michigan Law Review.

Apparently Panama is a unique case, and there had never been citizenship established for children of servicemen stationed in Panama as of 1936. There was a bill passed in 1937, but it could not have conferred natural born citizenship, a fact that Chin glibly ignored. The children of servicemen, born in Coco Solo, have been deported - in the days when we still did that. I'm sure, had McCain somehow secured the votes, the left would have gone after his eligibility.

There was a case brought in New Hampshire challenging McCain's eligibility. The big legal guns of the left were brought out to try to make a case for McCain, including the Dems in the Senate who were the firmly behind Obama. That case was dropped! We'll probably never confirm it, but I suspect McCain was provided with faux legal support by the left so Republicans wouldn't dare question Obama’s eligibility. Chin conceded that there was no law which could make McCain eligible.

I'm happy to be corrected!

7,227 posted on 08/06/2009 3:01:22 AM PDT by Spaulding
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To: El Gato

I think he was born of the Colon and that explains why he is a S*&^head and an A*&Hole.


7,299 posted on 08/06/2009 8:44:44 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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