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To: silverleaf; Las Vegas Ron
The point is, why issue one at all? To whom? Why not name the source? Was it related to the divorce?

Dunham filed for divorce in January 1964, Obama signed off uncontested, divorce final. There was no need to get a birth certificate, much less one from Kenya, which had only been a country for 2 months at the time, much less from a hospital in Mombasa that had only been broken away from Zanzibar for the same two months.

And why have the baby in Mombasa, with no international airport at the time, 1,000 miles away from the Obama family village? Why not nearby Nairobi?

At the time of Obama's birth, Mombasa was a part of the state of Zanzibar, another error on the doc.

No, it's bogus.

6,404 posted on 08/04/2009 4:44:13 PM PDT by gandalftb (An appeaser feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last......)
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To: gandalftb

The would-be birth registration was produced before Barack Sr had a chance to sign/not-sign/contest, so that point of your argument is rendered moot.


6,417 posted on 08/04/2009 4:49:49 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: gandalftb

Obama didn’t contest the divorce, I think some letter was sent to him about it and he never picked up the letter. But the lawyer didn’t know what Obama was going to do, so to be safe, he figured he might as well get the kids BC.

It’s starting to look like theres a Kenyan BC, but that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a Hawaiian BC, which Obamas grandma would have enabled by forging Obamas mom’s name on a form.

Assuming that, why did Obamas moms lawyer ask for the kenyan bc instead of the hawaiian bc? Maybe Obamas mom didn’t know about the hawaiian bc at that point, maybe the grandma just went and sent in the form on her own?


6,423 posted on 08/04/2009 4:57:01 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: gandalftb

A) The reason for a birth certificate being necessary is because she would have to show proof she was his MOTHER and that Obama was recognized as his FATHER. I had to submit birth certificates for my children in my divorce or I could get a divorce decree made out to whatever. Not to mention he was named after his father, if his father chose to take him back to Kenya, who would stop him without a custody order (given in the divorce). It’s silly to think there is no reason to need a birth certificate in a divorce before there was a thing called “no fault divorce”. How was she to know he wouldn’t answer the summons for the divorce? And who would be stupid enough to take that chance?

B) Airplanes to Africa were for the very very wealthy. Ship passage seemed to be a more common way to go back then. If she got stranded out there in labor, wouldn’t it make sense she would be near a PORT? Mombasa is THE port for Kenya.

C)Mombasa was not a ‘part’ of Zanzibar. Zanzibar held the deed on the land, but it had been leased FOR the state of Kenya for 75 years. If you rent an apartment, are you not able to use that as your address? Of course you are, same as Kenya used Mombasa as THEIR domain because it was PAID to be their domain.

So it’s not quite so cut and dry, is it?


6,429 posted on 08/04/2009 5:03:59 PM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: gandalftb

You have a lot of reading to do.

Better start now before there is more to read.


6,431 posted on 08/04/2009 5:04:50 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: gandalftb

All of the nonsense that you bring up has been well answered.

Go read, and don’t bug us anymoree!


6,434 posted on 08/04/2009 5:05:57 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: gandalftb
If those are your questions you are only proving you are completely ignorant to the facts in this case.

And then you want to claim with certainty it's bogus, oy

6,444 posted on 08/04/2009 5:13:07 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("It's The Stimulus, Stupid Socialist")
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To: gandalftb; LucyT
The point is, why issue one at all? To whom? Why not name the source? Was it related to the divorce? Dunham filed for divorce in January 1964, Obama signed off uncontested, divorce final. There was no need to get a birth certificate, much less one from Kenya, which had only been a country for 2 months at the time, much less from a hospital in Mombasa that had only been broken away from Zanzibar for the same two months. And why have the baby in Mombasa, with no international airport at the time, 1,000 miles away from the Obama family village? Why not nearby Nairobi? At the time of Obama's birth, Mombasa was a part of the state of Zanzibar, another error on the doc. No, it's bogus.

Wrong again.

The Birth Certificate was necessary because Hawaii Court rules, like those of most other jurisdictions, require a birth certificate of minor children in ex parte divorce proceedings.

Reason she went to Coast General Hospital is because it was staffed by the British Colonial Service doctors who were competent. The woman doctor who delivered Obama has her name on the original birth document file and she was alive and well and her location was known at some point in recent history. She was aware that the situation involves a threat to her life.

The part about Mombasa is fuzzed up--Coastal Province was part of Zanzibar until the agreement of October, 1963 at which point Zanzibar relinquished and ceded control over the area to the Republic of Kenya which did not yet exist. Immediately, all of the civil functionaries in Coastal Province changed their name to Republic of Kenya. These events are detailed in the local press and in history of the area and are all generally understood. I assume that is why the word "Province" came out of the hospital's name also.

6,542 posted on 08/04/2009 6:59:27 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: gandalftb

Outstanding post.


7,411 posted on 08/06/2009 11:09:48 AM PDT by VaBthang4 (He Who Watches over Israel will Neither Slumber nor Sleep.)
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