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To: Peter Horry

I doubt if you will find ANY orginal paper copies of an ordinary daily 1961 Honolulu newspaper in a library- everything went to microfichure.

No, the web image of a microfichure copy of the newspaper birth announcement was published on the Web by the zerO campaign team- 40 days after the actual resident of that property in that announcement died. Just sayin...

yes, forensic exam of the microfichure that contains that birth announcement would be interesting, but minor at this point. I cannot imagine why a false Kalanianiole Hwy address would be used ina birth announcement, presumably filed by Granny, in 1961. The Dunham family HAD an address. What a red flag.

Maybe someone did save that newspaper, someone who was really born and birth announcement posted...many folks save that stuff. I saved my sons.

There, now I’ve given the bot spies who monitor our discussions, more targets to find and purge

obamafile used to have all that type of information and links until he was driven off the web LAST WEEK (I fail to believe his illogical rant of suddenly without notice closing his site for “non support)

Hey- try to find a copy of O’s graduation yearbook from the Harvard library! I read they are all gone. Probably ditto with Columbia. This is incredibly sweeping sanitization.


6,131 posted on 08/04/2009 8:03:44 AM PDT by silverleaf (If you can't be a good example, at least don't be a horrible lesson)
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To: silverleaf

“obamafile used to have all that type of information and links until he was driven off the web LAST WEEK (I fail to believe his illogical rant of suddenly without notice closing his site for “non support)”

Yeah, coincedentally a day or so after his site was chosen for the Library of Congress. For what? To sit on a basement shelf?


6,143 posted on 08/04/2009 8:35:25 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: silverleaf

“No, the web image of a microfichure copy of the newspaper birth announcement was published on the Web by the zerO campaign team- 40 days after the actual resident of that property in that announcement died. Just sayin...”

Thanks, that answered my question, a web image was posted, that supposedly was a copy of the newspaper article, and no one has walked into a library and looked it up to see if what was posted is in the newspaper of interest. By the way I have looked at enough microfilm/ microfiche of old newspapers to be familiar with the process.

Sometimes even “Internet Rangers” have to make field trips.


6,152 posted on 08/04/2009 8:45:28 AM PDT by Peter Horry (Never were abilities so much below mediocrity so well rewarded - John Randolph)
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To: silverleaf

This is just a little off subject - I saved the entire Honolulu Star-Bulletin newspaper declaring Hawaii Statehood in 1959.


6,166 posted on 08/04/2009 9:09:57 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: silverleaf

...many folks save that stuff. I saved my sons.”

When Obama was rifling through Granny’s paperwork as a teen and he
“ discovered “
the newspaper interview with BHO Sr about his graduation from college folded among his birth certificate ( Pge 26 Dreams ..)and vaccination records,
this clipping was not mentioned.
Or apparently saved by Toot.
From reading Dreams From My Father ,
it appears that this family who had stories and family folklore about every mundane situation possible-
never talked about Barry’s birth.
DFMF is literary Ambien.
Every single page is a verbal tornado of minutiae and eye glazing details .
However, there is not one single detail or family story about his birth retold in the book.
Not one.
Just four words about his birth weight.
The absence of any mention stands out like a flashing red beacon considering how excessively he writes about everything else.
Obama worships the idea of BHO Sr in the book .
His birth stories would have compelled him to go on and on and write something about his imposing ebony skinned African father pacing the halls of the hospital,
intimidating everyone else in the waiting room with his booming voice and broad shoulders,
while Gramps and Toot chain smoked
Lucky Strikes while sitting in the cracked plastic seats for the 20 hours of his mother’s labor.
And yet-the sound of crickets .
He does write on page 22 from DFMF about his parent’s marriage.
Page 22 “How and when the marriage occured remains a bit murky ,” and he says he never had the courage to explore the truth.
“ There’s no record of a real wedding, a cake , a ring, a giving away of the bride .”
“ No families in attendance..”
No relatives were informed.
But, after writing that he says (I believe this to be a leap )
that it was just a small civil ceremony with a JP.
But that’s how his grandparents wanted this “ haphazard “ wedding.
“ A trial that would pass as long as they maintained a stiff upper lip
and didn’t do anything drastic.”
They were not happy having a girl barely out of high school
“ in trouble “ by an older , African man.
Next paragraph on page 22 is the only reference to his birth.
“First the baby arrived, eight pounds, two ounces...”
The unhappy attitude of the Dunhams ( guess they weren’t such liberated hippies after all ) lends credence to Grandma trying to legitimize an embarrassing situation by calling in a birth announcement.
Maybe she even upgraded their living or non cohabitating arrangement by giving them a better address.
Chris Matthews and Bill O’Reilly say that “ birthers “ believe the announcement to be the start “ of the conspiracy.”
Huh ? I’ve never seen anyone say that and it makes us sound kooky-which is their goal.
Since these two put such credence in 49 year old undocumented and unsourced newspaper clippings ,
does the newspaper interview that Barry discovered ( pge 26 )where his father ( not the newspaper writer )
makes no mention of a wife and son
( to Barry’s chagrin )using their standard
mean that he was not the father ?


6,200 posted on 08/04/2009 10:25:14 AM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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