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To: rintense
Oh the implications are huge

Not with regard to succession, they aren't.

Joseph Robinette Biden of Delaware, born in Pennsylvania to two American citizens, 66 years old and resident in Delaware for at least the past 14 years, received 365 votes from duly chosen Electors for Vice President of the United States, and his election to that position was confirmed by the Special Joint Session of Congress convened for that purpose.

So, to answer this question for the umpteenth time, Biden would unquestionably become President if the person who calls himself "Barack Obama" no longer was in the office.

And as far as the further absurdity that, because he was "picked" by Obama (he wasn't) or that the "ticket" was illegal, he was chosen in the proper manner by the Democratic National Convention, and "tickets" or "running mates" do not exist in the Constitution.

1,454 posted on 08/02/2009 8:43:00 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I hope Sarah will start a 2nd party soon)
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To: Jim Noble

Ah, I never said Biden wouldn’t be President. My point was, if for some reason he wasn’t, it wouldn’t be Hillary either. But he would likely pick her as his VP, which brings Arkancide to the table again.


1,494 posted on 08/02/2009 8:54:32 AM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: Jim Noble
Biden would unquestionably become President if the person who calls himself "Barack Obama" no longer was in the office.

I'm not a legal type. Can you sight the provision that says if the president was fraudulently elected to the office then his vice president would become president.

1,511 posted on 08/02/2009 8:57:16 AM PDT by McGruff (Where's the REAL birth certificate? - Jim Robinson)
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To: Jim Noble
Well said, Jim.

Since everybody seems to play the what- if game, my speculation is how can Obama be brought to bear?

Assuming the document is bona fide and that Obama was born in Kenya and further assuming that that means that he is not a natural born citizen, what next? Conservatives and Republicans have not the numbers in the House to bring articles of impeachment. There is some question whether we could peel off some Democrats. I take my lesson from the impeachment of Bill Clinton and I am not sanguine about the odds of converting enough Democrats in the House to the place where they will become actual supporters of the United States Constitution. Assuming sufficient Democrats combined with Republicans to impeach the president, we have the same problem in the Senate and, again, the impeachment of Bill Clinton is instructive and not confidence inspiring.

Republicans were not showing great many courageous profiles then and I expect to see even less courage among the profiles when the Democrats play the race card. Republicans have never stood up to it before, I don't see a reason why they will do so now.

Equally, the chances of getting an adjudication in a court are probably even slimmer. The court has already ruled countless times on the issue of standing, and the bona fides of the Kenyan document or the spuriousness of the Hawaii document do not change the rationale behind those rulings, unless the judges read the newspapers and unless it becomes plain that the public sentiment has greatly changed. Even if the courts changed their mind on standing, it is still likely that they would call this a political question and choose not to rule. It is mind-boggling to conceive of the judge issuing an order telling a sitting President of the United States to vacate the White House.

Even if all the legal obstacles could be overcome, the likelihood that could be done before 2012 is problematic.

I think, realistically, our solution is a political one in which we seek to so discredit Obama that he becomes a lame duck in his first year and is party is massacred at the polls in 2010.

I quite agree with you that it is the vice president who will succeed in the unlikely event that it comes to that. The vice president's office is a constitutional office and he is elected in his own right. In any event, I would infinitely prefer to have a conventional domestic leftist as President of the United States than an illegal alien who is a Manchurian Marxist. We have dealt with Biden's kind throughout the 20th century and we know how to fight and neutralize him. Besides he will have no credibility anyway. God only knows the damage Barack Obama is contemplating for our country.


1,557 posted on 08/02/2009 9:08:13 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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