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Certifigate Enters a New Phase

Posted on 07/25/2009 3:21:35 AM PDT by Thaddeus Stevens

I'm not normally given to posting at Free Republic because my politics generally lie elsewhere, but I think the latest "story" about Obama's birth certificate from CNN really shows that the end is near for the lies on this issue. According to reports:

TVNewser has learned CNN/U.S. president Jon Klein sent an email to a handful of "Lou Dobbs Tonight" staffers last night regarding the coverage of the so-called birthers and the validity of Pres. Obama's birth in the U.S.

In part, Klein writes, "It seems this story is dead- because anyone who still is not convinced doesn't really have a legitimate beef." Klein asked CNN researchers to dig into the question of why Obama couldn't produce the original birth certificate. The researchers contacted the Hawaii Health Dept. and confirmed that paper documents were discarded in 2001 when the department went paperless. That reportedly includes Pres. Obama's original birth certificate.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/...

This is a really important statement, if true. Number one, it directly refutes the statements being made by everyone from Robert Gibbs to Chris Matthews that Obama has already released his birth certificate. It also directly contradicts a statement made by the State of Hawaii Director of Health in 2008:

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.

http://www.kitv.com/politics/1786089...

Finally, there's simply no way that the State of Hawaii discarded all of their original vital records without first scanning them onto tapes, discs, whatever. The actual image of the original birth certificate would still be there, available for public viewing, even if the actual paper document has been destroyed.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; obama; obamatroll
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1 posted on 07/25/2009 3:21:35 AM PDT by Thaddeus Stevens
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To: Thaddeus Stevens
The next phase might be "So What?". "So what if he was born in another country, his momma is an American and so is he"

The answer is "Then he is not elgible to be President... and he lied and committed FRAUD to this whole country to get power".

2 posted on 07/25/2009 3:25:38 AM PDT by GeronL (Guilty of the crime of deviationism.)
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To: Thaddeus Stevens
I'm not normally given to posting at Free Republic because my politics generally lie elsewhere,

Thaddeus Stevens Since Jul 25, 2009


3 posted on 07/25/2009 3:26:47 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Thaddeus Stevens
The DNC and RINO who protect the Pres_ _ent from
exposure of his REAL background, should be held responsible, but ......

"WELCOME TO THE REAL AMERICA WHERE CRIMINALS GET TO BE
CELEBRITIES AND CELEBRITIES GET AWAY WITH MURDER."
"TO DIE FOR" Columbia Pictures

4 posted on 07/25/2009 3:26:51 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Thaddeus Stevens

This doesn’t sound Kosher to me.

For Obama it would be very convenient, but why would they scan the COLB and not the opriginal Birth Certificate. If it is scanned. lets see the scan.


5 posted on 07/25/2009 3:29:10 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Thaddeus Stevens

Hey Tad. You just bombed.


6 posted on 07/25/2009 3:30:44 AM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Thaddeus Stevens

7 posted on 07/25/2009 3:33:59 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Venturer

All anyone really wants to see is the official Certificate of Live Birth that would be issued by the State of Hawaii in response to a request from someone they are willing to honor with a response.

The document in Question would look just like the two Hawaii Certificates of Live Birth I have for my two kids born in Honolulu in 1965 and 1968 respectively.

Examples have been posted on FR of this so-called long form. They have at least since the 1960 been scans of one kind or another. They certainly don’t rip out the original and give it to you, if that is what anyone might be thinking. So the paper can’t be tested. You have to trust the certification, but the details are on there.

Frankly, as I sit here typing this I find it literally impossible to believe that Barack Obama does not have a copy of this document in his possession.


8 posted on 07/25/2009 3:36:56 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Thaddeus Stevens
We will probably never know the truth thanks to Executive Order 13489 which Obama signed immediately upon taking office to prevent the release of any of his records.
9 posted on 07/25/2009 3:37:49 AM PDT by SC DOC
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“The actual image of the original birth certificate would still be there, available for public viewing, even if the actual paper document has been destroyed.

Neither the original nor an image of it are available for public viewing. As a FReeper has pointed out...

“All we are saying . . . is give release a chance”


10 posted on 07/25/2009 3:38:36 AM PDT by deks (Obama Birthplace National Monument http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2169571/posts (:)
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To: Thaddeus Stevens

Of course, CNN and the rest of the Marxist media would
love to see it go away, but it will not, until Obama
comes clean.

FReepers are as up on the issue as any group in the country.
Many of us have posted examples of a REAL birth certificate
from Hawaii, cir. 1960s.

There is a tremendous amount of obfuscation from the
media, mostly in showing the silly certification, and
declaring it to be the real deal, when nothing could be further from the truth.

As I mentioned on another thread, there is no objective media in the USA now.
We are now having to get real news from news outlets in other countries.
This is a very sad time for America.


11 posted on 07/25/2009 3:41:56 AM PDT by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: SC DOC

12 posted on 07/25/2009 3:43:18 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: nathanbedford
Parse the statement from the official in Hawaii. He claims to have seen the actual birth certificate but doesn't verify that it is Hawaiian. As I understand it at the time a person could get a Hawaii document though born elsewhere and this is the document that was forged and already exposed. This controversy just gets "curiouser and curioser". None of this even touches on the fact that his father was a British subject. The whole thing is just astonishing.

Μολὼν λάβε


13 posted on 07/25/2009 3:50:11 AM PDT by wastoute (translation of tag "Come and get them (bastards)" and the Scout Motto)
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To: Thaddeus Stevens

Where is FightTheSmears.com? It USED to be online, with info about the dual citizen AKA Barry Obama. Barry took it offline in the last few weeks it appears.


14 posted on 07/25/2009 3:55:04 AM PDT by PghBaldy (http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/06/president-obama-visits-wounded-troops.html)
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To: AlexW
You mean like this statement, dated before he ran for office, that was found in another country's media: (Sorry we're not posting a link cause similar ones have disappeared when they were made public.

Barrak Hussein Obama II was born ... in Nyang’oma Kogelo now in Kenya.

15 posted on 07/25/2009 4:06:13 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Thaddeus Stevens

Proud to be a ‘birther’!

This clown is so dirty he’ll never be clean. His past is a shadow of his own making. His present is being spent as an arrogant pretender to the highest office in the land. I am hopeful that his future includes a stint in Federal prison.

He has a lot to hide, apparently. And, now he has the resources of the US Government to help him keep it all hidden.

It’s time to take back the country.


16 posted on 07/25/2009 4:13:03 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: John Valentine

My mother saved mine for me 67 years ago.

My kids have theirs.


17 posted on 07/25/2009 4:13:46 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Thaddeus Stevens

Why would you join up today just to post this comment?


18 posted on 07/25/2009 4:16:09 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Obama really did believe that stuff he was saying during the campaign)
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To: Thaddeus Stevens

The birth certificate issue is really only a secondary issue anyway. The undispute fact is that Obama is not a ‘natural born citizen’ being that his father was Kenyan and not an American citizen.


19 posted on 07/25/2009 4:16:42 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: TheBigIf; Thaddeus Stevens

True. McCain’s “natural born citizen” status was challenged. I borrowed this link from another current thread (notice they always use the plural ‘born to American citizens’...’born to American parents’):

http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html

Senators: McCain Is A ‘Natural Born Citizen’

In February, The New York Times published a report calling into question the legality of McCain’s presidential run. McCain was born to American citizens stationed on an American Naval base in the Panama Canal Zone. He has since served in the U.S. Navy, and, since 1983, has served in the U.S. Congress.

“Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen,” said Leahy. “I expect that this will be a unanimous resolution of the Senate.”

“It is silly for anyone to argue that Senator McCain is not eligible to become president,” said McCaskill. “I would hope that this is something we can all agree on, for goodness sakes.”

At a Judiciary Committee hearing on April 3, Leahy asked Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, himself a former Federal judge, if he had doubts that McCain was eligible to serve as President.

“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied.


20 posted on 07/25/2009 4:26:47 AM PDT by deks (Obama Birthplace National Monument http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2169571/posts (:)
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