Lincoln’s War

Tenth Amendment Center ^ | May 04, 2009 | Judge Andrew P. Napolitano

[cowboyway]

One of the greatest misconceptions of American history is that the Civil War was fought over slavery. Those who subscribe to this belief see President Abraham Lincoln as the benevolent leader who made unimaginable sacrifices in human blood to wipe out America’s greatest sin. While the human sacrifice is indisputable and the sin was monumental, the war’s purpose was not to free blacks from the shackles of bondage. Rather, the Civil War was fought with one purpose in mind: To preserve the Union at all costs. And, to put it in Lincoln’s terms, with no ifs, ands, or buts. You’d better agree with the president, or else.

[central_va]

Ew, I am scared now. Shaking. Yawn....

[usmcobra]

Actually you should be, if Obama and his mentors have their way, you’ll be among the first rounded up.

[central_va]

I guess you’ll help the Obamarxists in the “rounding up” as long as it’s “Constitutional”. LOL.

[central_va]

Perhaps even worse, you could have nuclear waste lands in those states that secede.

I'll try to slow down so your can take it in

Repeat after me slowly: Secession does not equate to war, it only equates to war to the Federalist, not the leaving[seceding] party[state(s)]. The last thing the leaving state(s) want is a war.

Repeat 5 times until it penetrates.

[Non-Sequitur]

I can point out post after nauseating post from you where you have flatly stated that it wasn't legal for the South to secede in 1860 even though the legality of secession had never been argued in the courts until the White vs Texas case in 1869...

But in none of your maggot-gagging posts have you identified where I said secession of any kind was illegal. I have always maintained that secession is permitted with the consent of the states. Positions supported by both James Madison and the Supreme Court

... and we all know what a farce that was.

Because you say it is? Thanks for clearing that up for us.</sarcasm>

In addition, your test for secession is virtually impossible to meet and has the de facto effect of trapping the states together ad infinitum.

How would you know?

Also, you have stated, again, post after nauseating post, that YOU would rather remain in the union, even if you have to live in a communist state because you would rather work from within (like the people have any say in our current government much less one that will soon be completely run by the soc/comms) than, so called, cutting and running.

I'm still waiting for you to identify which of those nauseating posts I stated secession was not allowed. But of course you can't do that because it didn't happen. So you lied...again. Lying is very much the cowboy way.

We've all experienced your sophomoric taunts, calling us cowards and losers...

As opposed to your adult behavior of calling people fags and telling them to shut the f*ck up? Sophomoric would be several steps above your usual level. Moronic would be a better description.

We've all experienced your sophomoric taunts, calling us cowards and losers like our forefathers for preferring to cut our losses from this increasingly socialist, all powerful federal government...

That's because all you are is talk. Or, more accurately, all you are is one continuous whine. You'll never rebel because you don't have the balls. You lack the backbone to put your money where your over-sized mouth is. You'll sit and bitch and moan and complain and babble on about what it'll be like in your new confederate police state, but when push comes to shove talk is all you're about.

BTW, if you want me to STFU, why don't you just come and give it a go for yourself, you lying sack of buzzard puke.

I suppose if you did shut up then we'd all lose a source of comedic relief.

[Non-Sequitur]

So when you secede how do you handle debt, social security, pensions owed to the people living in your new rebel tyranny, federal property, treaty obligations, etc? Be as detailed as you like.

[Non-Sequitur]

I guess you’ll help the Obamarxists in the “rounding up” as long as it’s “Constitutional”. LOL.

Will you help in the 'rounding up' of any Muslims, liberals, homosexuals, and all those others who's heads "aren't right" who happen to be stuck in your Southron wonderland once you've gone and seceded?

[Idabilly]

“Will you help in the ‘rounding up’ of any Muslims, liberals, homosexuals, and all those others who's heads “aren't right” who happen to be stuck in your Southron wonderland once you've gone and seceded?”

Is Kansas not a Sacturary for the sick,lame, and lazy? Just think of Your Christmas parade featuring Girls with Flattops and Harley's!

They will not be welcome in Idaho neither!

[Idabilly]

“So when you secede how do you handle debt, social security, pensions owed to the people living in your new rebel tyranny, federal property, treaty obligations, etc? Be as detailed as you like.”

All they have to do is loot and pillage Kansas and sell it on Ebay! If they really wanted to be ruthless- They would apply for Foreign aid and cut off all oil

[usmcobra]

Here I’ll repoat ir slowly so you understand.....

You have no plan.
You have no support.
You have no clue amour what Obama’s mentors want done to you.

when you come to your senses then you can respond to me.

[central_va]

Will you help in the 'rounding up' of any Muslims, liberals, homosexuals, and all those others who's heads "aren't right" who happen to be stuck in your Southron wonderland once you've gone and seceded?

The New South will not be a welfare state, the last non-welfare state on earth. Why would any maggots stay there when the North is so inviting? Why does the North plan on buiding a berlin type wall to keep them out?

[central_va]

You have no clue amour what Obama’s mentors want done to you

They want my money and my freedom, just like typical Yankees.

[central_va]

I have always maintained that secession is permitted with the consent of the states.

I agree, in 1861, with the exception of SC, eleven states consented with each other, therefore Lincoln's war must have been both illegal and immoral in your opinion.

[Non-Sequitur]

Is Kansas not a Sacturary for the sick,lame, and lazy?

Nope. We work for a living here.

But are you saying that you'll add unemployed and crippled to your list of those to be rounded up and dealt with?

[Non-Sequitur]

All they have to do is loot and pillage Kansas and sell it on Ebay! If they really wanted to be ruthless- They would apply for Foreign aid and cut off all oil

I could understand the need for you to do that, there not being anything of value in Idaho.

[Non-Sequitur]

The New South will not be a welfare state, the last non-welfare state on earth. Why would any maggots stay there when the North is so inviting? Why does the North plan on buiding a berlin type wall to keep them out?

Avoiding the question, no surprise there. But to answer your's, if your rebel thought police round up all the liberals and Muslims and homosexuals and all those deemed undesireable, and if they were citizens of the United States prior to your leaving, then of course they would be allowed in. See, we would still have that pesky Constitution that you hold in such contempt and even these people would have rights. I may not be thrilled with all of them but there it is.

And I would assume you'd be leading the government agency for rounding them all up? Or would Idabilly and Rustabout be fighting for that role?

[Non-Sequitur]

I agree, in 1861, with the exception of SC, eleven states consented with each other, therefore Lincoln's war must have been both illegal and immoral in your opinion.

We're back to your position that the only states with rights were those leaving I see. But let my clear up your confused mind. I meant a majority of the states, including those leaving and those staying.

And it would more properly termed Davis' war rather than Lincoln's.

[central_va]

Worth repeating:

We've all experienced your sophomoric taunts, calling us cowards and losers like our forefathers for preferring to cut our losses from this increasingly socialist, all powerful federal government, but I say, The Hell With You and your Obama butt kissing comrades (which is what you and the rest of the yankees will be calling each other very soon) for I'd rather be free of you than stuck with a bunch of idealistic, deranged, union-preservationist-at-all-cost nut jobs, holding hands on the deck of the Titanic and singing Hail to the Chief, than going down with you in the swiftly sinking socialist ship.

I couldn't have said it better myself. The only thing I would add is that the concept that a state or states having to fight their way out of this abysmal/absurd Union is ridiculous. Why anyone PAST OR PRESENT would take up arms against the leaving state(s) is SICK AND PERVERTED. I cannot understand why it happened 140 years ago, and I cannot understand why it could happen again.

[central_va]

End the Occupation:

Unreconstructed Rebel
(Major Innes Randolph)

Oh, I'm a good old Rebel,
Now that's just what I am;
For this "fair land of Freedom"
I do not care a damn.
I'm glad I fit against it-
I only wish we'd won.
And I don't want no pardon
For anything I've done.

I hates the Constitution,
This great Republic too;
I hates the Freedmen's Buro,
In uniforms of blue.
I hates the nasty eagle,
With all his brag and fuss;
But the lyin', thievin' Yankees
I hates' em wuss and wuss.

We got three hundred thousand
Befo' they conquered us.
They died of Southern fever
And Southern steel and shot;
And I wish it was three million
Instead of what we got.
                   .
I can't take up my musket
And fight' em now no mo',
But I ain't a-goin'to love' em,
Now that is sartin sho';
And I don't want no pardon
For what I was and am;
And I won't be reconstructed,
And I do not give a damn.

originally printed in Collier's Weekly in 1914
RG

[Idabilly]

“And I would assume you'd be leading the government agency for rounding them all up? Or would Idabilly and Rustabout be fighting for that role?”

I was thinking of a underground railroad towards Kansas!I'm sure us Idahoans can round up a few hippies and send your way. You should feel blessed- Just think about all your new friends you can play "dress up" with!