Posted on 05/06/2009 10:35:26 AM PDT by cowboyway
One of the greatest misconceptions of American history is that the Civil War was fought over slavery. Those who subscribe to this belief see President Abraham Lincoln as the benevolent leader who made unimaginable sacrifices in human blood to wipe out America’s greatest sin. While the human sacrifice is indisputable and the sin was monumental, the war’s purpose was not to free blacks from the shackles of bondage. Rather, the Civil War was fought with one purpose in mind: To preserve the Union at all costs. And, to put it in Lincoln’s terms, with no ifs, ands, or buts. You’d better agree with the president, or else.
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So you agree with me, what I wrote in post 389 then?
I mean you agree with post 391? ...
I wouldn't bring up what happened when WV was formed, it strengthens my case and weakens yours.
It only weakens my case if I avoid it like the plague, I am however willing to admit it happened and am also willing to admit why it happened as well.
But you didn't answer my question, would you force West Virgina to rejoin your state when it secedes, even if it required the use of force to do so?
To me, as a strict secessionist and little 'r' republican, the idea of forcing a state to do anything is an anathema. The forcing thing comes natural to a Yankee, it’s how they get their feminist women to cooperate. (Cheap shot)
To me, as a strict secessionist and little 'r' republican, the idea of forcing a state to do anything is an anathema. The forcing thing comes natural to a Yankee, it’s how they get their feminist women to cooperate
So according to you West Virgina is a state and not a part of Virginia, and you would not force them to join your secession or force them to rejoin your state.
What about those people in your state that want to remain part of the United States?
Is it a safe assumption that you would let them have a voice in secession as well?
Yes the state, not the county, would be the authority. If the House of Delegates says no, so be it, if they say yes, even better.
In the new Constitution, my version call it Constitution V.2, it would be manditory that each state legislature
has to vote to stay in the Union every year, otherwise the default is they leave the Union.
and yet during the original secession at least half of all southerners had no voice in secession at all maybe even more.
According to your way of thinking if the state government decides to secede then it is a done deal wither or not the citizens approve of secession.
Once again you have proved what I have always said about the south and secession, according to you the rights of the state trump the rights of the citizenry.
That is Totalitarianism at it’s very core.
No, you need to read up on the subject.
Nor should they accept that or any other illegal act.
The only way to settle this is on a battlefield because of the unyeilding attitude of the Federalist.
Your choice, just like the last time.
I am trying to understand that bully attitude. I do hate that thought.
They bully is on your end. Your idea that you can do what you want, when you want, to any state that you want, and there is nothing that those states can do about it. But hey, that's your attitude and nothing I can say will change that. So hurry up and be about it. I'm getting tired of your constant 'one of these days we're going to rise again' whining.
You display the attitude of the belligerent, it's uncanny like some dead Yankee spirit of is channeling you, it might as well be 1861 all over again. The ancient bully = you. I am peace loving man, you appear to be a blood thirsty animal and also sick. Anyone even discussing secession wants a war? WTF? Face it, the US Constitution sucks it has lead us to a centralized Federal Govt. with 90% of the true power, the exact opposite of it's intent. And meat brains, because they can quote article and section verbatim think that makes it OK and cool. Major Randolf was WAY AHEAD OF HIS TIME.
Silly me, I thought we lived in a FREE REPUBLIC....
Start a new thread vanity whatever, chat room whatever, Start the thread with the admission that the Federal Govt. has usurped almost all power in the country. Starting there and taking secession off the table, how do you propose the correct this imbalance without bloodshed? You see I don't think you have a plan. Tell me how the R's are going to suddenly fix everything.
For all of our faults we secessionists at least HAVE A PLAN.
I take back the sick thing, that was uncalled for.
And your insane view that the Constitution is a federal set of shackles permanently clapped on any state that enters into the federal compact is the most illogical and inane view being currently expressed on this, or, probably any other board on the web.
Start the thread with the admission that the Federal Govt. has usurped almost all power in the country. Starting there and taking secession off the table, how do you propose the correct this imbalance without bloodshed? You see I don't think you have a plan. Tell me how the R's are going to suddenly fix everything.For all of our faults we secessionists at least HAVE A PLAN.
The Problem is your plan commits the original sin of the south, secession without any chance of reconciliation, debate or even citizen participation.
I submit to you that unless you have those things as part of your plans, you will have the same as in 1865.
Perhaps even worse, you could have nuclear waste lands in those states that secede.
Maybe covering the WHOLE UNITED STATES, Are you prepared for that?
And you display the attitude of someone with a complete and utter contempt for the Constitution...just like 1861.
The ancient bully = you.
ROTFLMAO!!!
Anyone even discussing secession wants a war?
But you're not discussing legal secession, but a repeat of the illegal actions of 1861. Not doubt to include repudiating responsibility, stealing whatever federal property that lies at hand, and probably shelling the odd fort into surrender.
Face it, the US Constitution sucks...
The truth comes out. Like your hero Randolph you hate the country, the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, everything and anything to do with the United States. It must suck being you, hating so much.
And silly me, I thought we lived in a country where the Constitution and the rule of law protected everyone and not just you.
I decline your challenge.
For all of our faults we secessionists at least HAVE A PLAN.
If you HAVE A PLAN then how about letting the rest of us in on it? All I've seen so far is the protracted whining of a bunch of lost causers complaining how some day soon their gonna rise up again. Nothing more concrete than that. If you HAVE A PLAN then let's see it.
I've never said anything like that, and I would defy you to point out where I have. Link to the posts where I said secession was not allowed. Do it now or STFU.
I can point out post after nauseating post from you where you have flatly stated that it wasn't legal for the South to secede in 1860 even though the legality of secession had never been argued in the courts until the White vs Texas case in 1869, and we all know what a farce that was.
In addition, your test for secession is virtually impossible to meet and has the de facto effect of trapping the states together ad infinitum.
Also, you have stated, again, post after nauseating post, that YOU would rather remain in the union, even if you have to live in a communist state because you would rather work from within (like the people have any say in our current government much less one that will soon be completely run by the soc/comms) than, so called, cutting and running.
We've all experienced your sophomoric taunts, calling us cowards and losers like our forefathers for preferring to cut our losses from this increasingly socialist, all powerful federal government, but I say, The Hell With You and your Obama butt kissing comrades (which is what you and the rest of the yankees will be calling each other very soon) for I'd rather be free of you than stuck with a bunch of idealistic, deranged, union-preservationist-at-all-cost nut jobs, holding hands on the deck of the Titanic and singing Hail to the Chief, than going down with you in the swiftly sinking socialist ship.
BTW, if you want me to STFU, why don't you just come and give it a go for yourself, you lying sack of buzzard puke.
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