No, it's to bad you are such a bully, you are going to lose your Copperhead status this way. You have been brainwashed and have drunk deeply from the kool-aid pitcher.
Posted on 05/06/2009 10:35:26 AM PDT by cowboyway
One of the greatest misconceptions of American history is that the Civil War was fought over slavery. Those who subscribe to this belief see President Abraham Lincoln as the benevolent leader who made unimaginable sacrifices in human blood to wipe out America’s greatest sin. While the human sacrifice is indisputable and the sin was monumental, the war’s purpose was not to free blacks from the shackles of bondage. Rather, the Civil War was fought with one purpose in mind: To preserve the Union at all costs. And, to put it in Lincoln’s terms, with no ifs, ands, or buts. You’d better agree with the president, or else.
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Well that's for me to decide, not you. Are you going to kill me for that, or send me a bill?
Why send a bill you wouldn't pay? A hostile split is your decision, and one which you will probably escalate into an armed conflict some time in the future. If your confederate past is any indication.
Not very impressed with this latest work. It's great sport these days to pull down one of our two or three greatest presidents, Abraham Lincoln, while ignoring the far greater sins of the Confederate power-grabbers. Makes for a very flawed argument, but the judge does know his target audience.
No, it's to bad you are such a bully, you are going to lose your Copperhead status this way. You have been brainwashed and have drunk deeply from the kool-aid pitcher.
For historical muddle-headedness I was going to say it's neck and neck between the economists and jurists until I remember DiLorenzo and Tommy D wins the day for the economists by a landslide.
Actually, this flavor of Kool-Aid is more appropriate.
“one of our two or three greatest presidents, Abraham Lincoln”
You and I see statist presidents in a different light.
I rank Lincoln as our worst president and in company with FDR, LBJ, and now, Barry Soetoro.
Where would you put Jefferson Davis on that list? For while Lincoln is reviled for merely jailing a suspected bridge burner, Jeff went all the way and hung the suspected bridge burners in his slavery empire. To fully appreciate the greatness of Lincoln one should examine the nature of the evil he was fighting.
“To fully appreciate the greatness of Lincoln one should examine the nature of the evil he was fighting.”
The “evil” Lincoln was fighting was the constitutional order of the sovereign states as a republic. He had a new vision. We have inherited Lincoln’s vision. It’s on view in D.C. if you care to see his offspring.
He did all that by opposing the Southern rebellion? Utter nonsense.
The "constitutional order of the sovereign states" was only a cheap political power grab effected by rabble-rousing and political dirty tricks. If you doubt that then all you need do is examine the ignomanious collapse of southern resistance under duress. As Confederate NC governor Zebulon Vance later admitted, the Dixie revolution was one of the politicians and not the people. Thankfully, Lincoln fought for the people against the politicians.
Go through all of my posts and find any where I am advocating violence. It is you and your ilk that threatens and advocates physical violence. I am a pacifist. I abhor violence. In my mind there should be nothing violent about any state wanting leave unilaterally. You threaten me and claim I am some kind of Nazi, maybe I misunderstand.
“the ignomanious collapse of southern resistance under duress”
I’m not sure what the defeat of the 13 states has to do with the unconstitutional consolidation of power in the U.S. federal government. And I am not sure if the Confederate States had won their independence what their central government would look like today. But I do know what the progeny of Lincoln and similar statists looks like—its on display in Washington today.
I’m sure you and/or Nonsense would like to spar back and forth on this ad nauseum today. Perhaps tonight I could go into this further. Right now I am at work to be able to make money to pay taxes to the federal overlords in Washington.
Well when you come back then perhaps you can outline Lincoln's vision as you see it, and provide some quotes from the man supporting your claims. Don't worry about the nauseum, I've got a strong stomach.
N-S
One of your compadres, off-his-rockrr, actually took the above literally. Can you explain things to the young man? We speak in invectives that he can't understand, but aren't literal?
The Constitution required Lincoln to hold national property and make the Constitutionally required collections at the port of Charleston. If Lincoln was to uphold the Constitution he had no choice but to do what the supreme law told him to do. The evil usurpation of the feds today can not be laid on a president who was just doing his Constitutional duty.
Right now I am at work to be able to make money to pay taxes to the federal overlords in Washington.
I can appreciate the dismay at the tax devouring federal behemoth, but you should focus on Woodrow Wilson, FDR and LBJ and not Lincoln.
Sorry. I took you at your word. I won’t make that mistake again I assure you.
“I can appreciate the dismay at the tax devouring federal behemoth, but you should focus on Woodrow Wilson, FDR and LBJ and not Lincoln.”
WW, FDR, & LBJ were unquestionably presidents who were unconcerned with the restraints of the federal constitution. You and I differ on including Lincoln on that unholy list.
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