A more fitting inscription would be: "Here lies an arsonist and murderer of innocents, butcher". Anyone need to go? Just checkin'
Posted on 03/21/2009 6:26:13 AM PDT by cowboyway
ATLANTA — In a cultural war that has pitted Old South against new, defenders of the Confederate legacy have opened a fresh front in their campaign to polish an image tarnished, they said, by people who do not respect Southern values.
With the 150th anniversary of the War Between the States in 2011, efforts are under way in statehouses, small towns and counties across the South to push for proclamations or legislation promoting Confederate history.
(Excerpt) Read more at courant.com ...
In his memoirs Sherman wrote that when he met with Lincoln after his March to the Sea was completed, Lincoln was eager to hear the stories of how thousands of Southern civilians, mostly women, children, and old men, were plundered, sometimes murdered, and rendered homeless. Lincoln, according to Sherman, laughed almost uncontrollably at the stories.
In 1862 Sherman wrote his wife that his purpose in the war would be “extermination, not of soldiers alone, that is the least of the trouble, but the people”
In October of 1864 he ordered a subordinate, General Louis Watkins, to go to Fairmount, Georgia, “burn ten or twelve houses” and “kill a few at random,” and “let them know that it will be repeated every time a train is fired upon.”
Sergeant William T. Patterson wrote that “the whole country around is wrapped in flames, the heavens are aglow with the light thereof . . . such mourning, such lamentations, such crying and pleading for mercy [by defenseless women]... I never saw or want to see again.”
Sherman himself admitted after the war that he was taught at West Point that he could be hanged for the things he did. But in war the victors always write the history and are never punished for war crimes, no matter how heinous. Only the defeated suffer that fate.
General John Pope, in charge of federal forces in Minnesota. Pope announced that “It is my purpose to utterly exterminate the Sioux . . . . They are to be treated as maniacs or wild beasts, and by no means as people with whom treaties or compromise can be made.”
The color of your ass is of absolutely no interest to me. I was merely pointing out that you've gone out of your way to mention it's shade on several occasions. So you are a black confederate supporter. Whoopie. I understand that you're not unique in that. And neither are the Southron myths you keep repeating.
Y'all know that us Southern Folk that know better are LAUGHING at YOU ignorant Elitest Lincoln Cultist!!
Somehow I doubt that we're providing as much amusement to you as you do to us.
You blind fools have sold YOURSELF into Slavery and it doesn't even take a whipping to keep y'all in line~BOY
Yassuh, boss.
Colonel Richard Henry Lee, of Virginia, at the dedication of the Confederate monument at Old Chapel in Clarke County, Virginia.
“Twenty eight years have passed since the close of our civil war. Time,
I trust has healed the wounds of war, but with the revolving years the causes
and events of that terrible struggle seem to be forgotten, or if not
forgotten, considered as unimportant events of history. And even the history
of those events, and the causes that led to that struggle, are not set forth
fairly and truthfully. It is stated in books and papers that Southern
children read and study that all the blood-shedding and destruction of
property of that conflict was because the South rebelled without cause
against the best government the world ever saw; that although Southern
soldiers were heroes in the field, skillfully massed and led, they and their
leaders were rebels and traitors who fought to overthrow the Union, and to
preserve human slavery, and that their defeat was necessary for free
government and the welfare of the human family.
As a Confederate soldier and as a citizen of Virginia, I deny the
charge, and denounce it as a calumny. We were not rebels; we did not fight to
perpetuate human slavery, but for our rights and privileges under a
government established over us by our fathers and in defense of our homes.”
On August 14, 1862, Lincoln received a deputation of free Negroes at the White House to which he said, “But for your race there could not be
war...It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated.” He advocated
colonization in Central America and promised them help in carrying out the
project.
“Such separation...must be effected by colonization...to transfer the
African to his native clime, and we shall find a way to do it, however
great the task may be.” From a speech delivered in Springfield, IL; 26
June 1857
In August, 1862, Lincoln convened a White House conference with black leaders and said to them: “Why should people of your race be colonized, and where? Why should they leave this country? You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between any
other two races. Whether it is right or wrong, I need not discuss; but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think. Your race suffers very greatly, many of them, by living among us, while we suffer from your presence. If this is admitted, it affords a reason, at least, why we should be separated.”
“Negro equality, Fudge!! How long in the Government of a God great enough to
make and maintain this Universe, shall there continue to be knaves to vend and
fools to gulp, so low a piece of demagoguism as this?” —
Gen. U.S. Grant
“The sole object of this war is to restore the union. Should I
become convinced it has any other object, or that the Government designs
using its soldiers to execute the wishes of the Abolitionists, I pledge you
my honor as a man and a soldier I would
resign my commission and carry my sword to the other side.”
Could you possible be referring to these memoirs? If so, could you please point to the part where Lincoln laughs uncontrollably at the plight of the Southern civilians? Because I've read Sherman's work several times and I've never come across it. I'm sure I'm just overlooking it somewhere. </sarcasm>
Sherman himself admitted after the war that he was taught at West Point that he could be hanged for the things he did. But in war the victors always write the history and are never punished for war crimes, no matter how heinous. Only the defeated suffer that fate.
Is that possibly in the same memoirs you mentioned before? Gee, I must have missed that part, too.
Let me leave you with an actual, honest-to-God, Sherman quote:
"War is cruelty, and you can not qualify it, and those who brought war in our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour on. War is the remedy our enemy's have chosen. They dared us to war, and you remember how tauntingly they defied us to the contest. We have accepted the issue and it must be fought out. You might as well reason with a thunderstorm. I say let us give them all they want; not a word of argument, not a sign of let up, no cave in till we are whipped or they are."
Lies. Sherman's Memoir is easily available, in its entirety, online. Here's the chapter that includes Sherman's meeting with Lincoln in late March, 1865. There's no such passage as you describe.
Historian Jeffrey Rogers
Historian Clinton Rossiter
Even Sherman biographer Lee Kennett, who writes very favorably of the general, concluded that had the Confederates won the war, they would have been “justified in stringing up President Lincoln and the entire Union high command for violation of the laws of war, specifically for waging war against noncombatants.”
http://www.quebecoislibre.org/08/080815-2.htm
It was delightful to see the people of Canada understanding which you can’t! The truth about Lincoln
You couldn't be referring to Jeffrey Rodgers Hummel, could you? "Emanicpating Slaves, Enslaving Free Men"? That Hummel? Why not recommend DiLorenzo and be done with it?
Historian Clinton Rossiter
I've read the Federalist Papers, thank you.
Even Sherman biographer Lee Kennett, who writes very favorably of the general, concluded that had the Confederates won the war, they would have been “justified in stringing up President Lincoln and the entire Union high command for violation of the laws of war, specifically for waging war against noncombatants.”
Hogwash.
It's interesting to see that Canadians are just as clueless as you are.
“Lies”
One of Sherman’s biographers (Lee Kennett, Sherman: A Soldier’s Life, Harper, 2002),
What page?
Which rants are those? If you're referring to what Lincoln said during the Lincoln-Douglas debates, those are easily available. Or are you going down the "secret writings of Lincoln that the leftist academics keep hidden from people" route?
Well, just scratch my back with a hack saw! ;~))
A more fitting inscription would be: "Here lies an arsonist and murderer of innocents, butcher". Anyone need to go? Just checkin'
Bwahahahahaha! Kudos sir!
Brilliant post.
What's the matter? You can't string together a sentence on your own so you have to lift it, uncredited, from another of DiLorenzo's shoddy pieces?
Grits are to yankees as stakes are to vampires, scares the c**p out of them. If they turn Southern it means the yankee part left. Otherwise, they're just full of it.
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