Posted on 03/21/2009 6:26:13 AM PDT by cowboyway
ATLANTA — In a cultural war that has pitted Old South against new, defenders of the Confederate legacy have opened a fresh front in their campaign to polish an image tarnished, they said, by people who do not respect Southern values.
With the 150th anniversary of the War Between the States in 2011, efforts are under way in statehouses, small towns and counties across the South to push for proclamations or legislation promoting Confederate history.
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I myself am thinking about laying a wreath on the grave of that Tennessee hero Parson Brownlow to celebrate the day.
Do you think it was brutality for the Confederates to use force to maintain association with East Tennessee after it was clear that the region wanted no part of the Confederacy?
Oh my God, Lerone Bennett? Well, if you think that his analysis of Lincoln was spot on then I have no doubt that you also subscribe to his positions on cash reparations for slavery. Looking forward to writing your check for your share, are you?
At one point, Bennett quotes William Henry Seward...
I've seen that quote on many a Southron site, but never sourced, dated, or in context so it's hard to tell what Seward's real meaning was. But even at face value, it's hard to understand how Seward could complain about Lincoln's failure to implement an unconstitutional action. Slavery was legal under the Constitution. It took the 13th Amendment to end it, something Lincoln also pushed strongly for. Seward, of all people, would know that.
Forced Into Glory: Abraham Lincoln’s White Dream is decidedly angry, as if Bennett feels betrayed by what he calls the “myth” of Abraham Lincoln.
You might want to read up on your latest hero. Lerone Bennett is angry at white America altogether.
We just consider the source.
Conversely, no bigger act of brutality than to maintain an association with force.
Well I for one will not try and stop you from ending your association with the U.S. But like I said, leave the country behind when you leave.
“You might want to read up on your latest hero. Lerone Bennett is angry at white America altogether.”
He however doesn’t buy your pack of lies. Glad he’s angry at you! You Yankee don’t like it when them chickens come home
I consider each state a seperate political entity, like our founding fathers did, unlike you. No need to leave old VA yet. If I do leave, I will make a stop in Dorothy Country. I thought the last red legs died 100 years ago. Sounds like an interesting place to visit.
You said my analogy was in error, please explain.
Big yawn, everyone knows with you Yankees it's "my way or the highway". Nothing changes does it. Actually it should be "it's my way or the arsonist's torch".
It’s was only “state’s rights” if tyou were held in slavery.
Great and eloquent humanitarian, W. T. Sherman:
"War is the remedy our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want; not a word of argument, not a sign of let-up, no cave in till we are whipped-or they are."
I doubt he'd be any happier with your or your rebel ancestors. Think of that as you write your reparations check.
The highway is your choice. Don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out.
“Oh my God, Lerone Bennett?”
Since your elitist high and mighty attitude can’t seem to muster that “I’m wrong” about Uncle Lincoln..
Then perhaps you’ll find enough courage to place a letter in that mail box and ask
Walter E. Williams
Department of Economics
MSN 3G4
George Mason University
Fairfax, VA 22030-4444
For enlightenment regarding your “myths”
But Lincoln was the death of our Republic, isn't that what all you Southron types believe?
Some do, some don't. I don't recall ever saying that, though I have said that the 14th Amendment was criminally irresponsible and has pretty much gutted the Constitution, though that may not have been the intention.
As for Lincoln's non-PC statements, here are a couple:
"What I would most desire would be the separation of the white and black races." (Spoken at Springfield, Illinois on July 17th, 1858; from Abraham Lincoln: Complete Works, 1894, Vol. 1, page 273).
"Why should the people of your race be colonized, and where? Why should they leave this country? This is, perhaps, the first question for proper consideration. You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. If this be admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated. It is better for both, therefore, to be separated." (Spoken at the White House to a group of black community leaders, August 14th, 1862, from Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Vol 5, page 371).
And I didn't even include some of the things he said during the Lincoln-Douglas debates, where he opposed negro voting, negroes on juries, intermarriage, negro social equality, and many other things.
We even had a thread here at FR a while back over an article suggesting Lincoln was a racist. A black historian sorta, kinda got him off the hook by noting that late in life he thought it might be okay for "intelligent negroes" to be allowed to vote. But the bottom line is he didn't hold modern PC racial views. Again, I'm not denouncing him, his views were the common views of that era. But you can't throw a hissy fit over the Confederacy and then brush off Washington's slave ownership and Lincoln's objection to racial equality as being merely the product of their day. Why do some people get the Animal Farm exemption while others don't?
The left likes Animal Farm exemptions, but only of their own making. That means it's okay to have a blacks-only dorm but not a whites-only dorm. It doesn't mean one old dead white dude can be a "racist" and another old dead white dude can't. That won't fly once the multicult has grown strong enough to wipe out all white heroes of the past (other than feminists, homosexuals, and commies, of course).
I'm just pointing out that when you start down this road of declaring Confederate supporters to be evil incarnate for having non-PC racial attitudes, then you're setting yourself up to either be a hypocrite or to have to purge Lincoln as well. Saying he was a tad better because he didn't like slavery ain't gonna fly. It doesn't fly with me and it surely won't fly when the SPLC or La Raza decide the time has come to move against Honest Abe.
You're absolutely correct that virtually no one from the 18th or 19th centuries could pass today's Political Correctness test. THAT'S BEEN MY POINT ALL ALONG. When people celebrate their heritage by displaying a Rebel Flag and honoring Confederate leaders or soldiers, and the response is to try to shut them down and to demonize them for honoring "racists" and so forth, then you're setting a horrendous precedent. You'll either have to tie yourself in knots trying to make the case that slaveowner Stonewall Jackson was evil but slaveowner George Washington wasn't all that bad. He only owned slaves because he was a product of his time, not evil evil evil like Stonewall Jackson. You'll have to explain why Jefferson Davis was wicked and beneath contempt for opposing racial equality while Lincoln was merely a man of his era for opposing it. If you can't do that (and you can't) then you'll have to agree that Lincoln and Washington and all the others are simply no damn good. They need to be replaced as American heroes by Harvey Milk, Malcolm X, and Cesar Chavez.
Walter Williams and Thomas DiLorenzo illustrate the gross errors possible when economists meddle in history. Power mad secessionists don’t show up well on a demand curve.
Yeah but they all belong here, as part of the United States, unless they legally secede. You can't take one with you just because you're in a snit.
I thought the last red legs died 100 years ago. Sounds like an interesting place to visit.
Oh it certainly is. Make sure you swing by Concordia. There's a dugout somewhere outside of town where Boston Corbett used to live. He was the guy who killed Idabilly's hero, John Wilkes Booth. And then there's Delphos. Grace Bedell lived there as an adult. She's the girl who wrote Lincoln in 1861 and suggested he grow a beard. Oh we've got a lot for you to visit.
Your tone is edgy, I guess you are tired.
An important point to keep in mind. It's very difficult to make generalized statements about the million or so soldiers who served under the confederate flag. They served for all sorts of purposes just as soldiers have in most wars.
But when speaking of the relative handful of politicians who created that government, it is comparatively easy to make the following generalized statement; Very little of what they did had anything to do with 'states rights.'
IMHO, there is little to admire in any of those politicians.
Enlightenment? From what I've read of his stuff, Walter Williams would be better described as a prime source for Sothron myths.
What's next, Tommy DiLorenzo and the Kennedy brothers? Maybe a little Joseph Sobran thrown in for good measure?
At age 32, Grant struggled through seven lean years. From 1854 to 1858, he labored on a family farm near St. Louis, Missouri, using slaves owned by his father-in-law, but it did not prosper. Grant owned one slave, whom he set free in 1859, and his wife owned four slaves.[12] From 1858–1859 he was a bill collector in St. Louis. Failing at everything, he asked his father for a job, and in 1860 was made an assistant in the leather shop owned by his father in Galena, Illinois. Grant & Perkins sold harnesses, saddles, and other leather goods and purchased hides from farmers in the prosperous Galena area.[13]
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