Posted on 03/21/2009 6:26:13 AM PDT by cowboyway
ATLANTA — In a cultural war that has pitted Old South against new, defenders of the Confederate legacy have opened a fresh front in their campaign to polish an image tarnished, they said, by people who do not respect Southern values.
With the 150th anniversary of the War Between the States in 2011, efforts are under way in statehouses, small towns and counties across the South to push for proclamations or legislation promoting Confederate history.
(Excerpt) Read more at courant.com ...
Your heritage is three parts fantasy and two parts myth.
I worked a couple of years in a National Cemetery. In there is history that does not lie. Do you know what U.S.C.T. stands for? Why were they all buried in a special section? Now keep in mind were talking about a Union Cemetery. Nough Said!
“Your heritage is three parts fantasy and two parts myth.”
What would the Republican Party politicians say to Union soldiers and families who lost over 320,000 causalities about the truth of the war. Could they say that they had fought, became crippled or died for tariffs and taxes? That they sacrificed their lives and those of their loved ones for continued profits of commercial interests, the railroads, the politicians!
That rather than freely compete with a free trade or low tariff South and suffer financial loss, that the captains of industry decided not to fight themselves or compete but rather to send hundreds of thousands of brave Union soldiers to their deaths over tax revenue, commercial profits, increased government power, control and tyranny.
“I guess you would make you a loyal Copperhead?”
Interesting comment, but one that is so far off base as to be laughable. My roots are Deep South. My family goes back to the 1840s in Louisiana and my wife’s family goes back to the 1700s in Louisiana. A Copperhead was a Northern Democrat who vehemently opposed secession, and I am none of those. My only connection to the North is that I live there now (because I was transferred up here for my job). I have too many years in to toss it all away and leave now. But, in 5 - 7 years I’ll be retiring and will return to our beloved Dixie. I don’t hate the North by any stretch of the imagination (except for the winters and some of the politicians), and it does have some fine qualities. However, I have no use for Yankees who have poles stuck up their asses and whose arrogance would make Nero blush.
I am the farthest thing from a Copperhead.
I thought you'd gone off saying you didn't want to play any more?
That the cause they fought for, the preservation of the Union, was accomplished in spite of the best efforts of the forces of the Southern rebellion.
That rather than freely compete with a free trade or low tariff South and suffer financial loss, that the captains of industry decided not to fight themselves or compete but rather to send hundreds of thousands of brave Union soldiers to their deaths over tax revenue, commercial profits, increased government power, control and tyranny.
See, this is an example of where you Southron kool-aid guzzlers make no sense. Let's say, for the sake of arguement, that the South succeeded in their secession. Let's say, also for the sake of arguement, that they placed a low tariff on goods imported into the South. So what? How would the North suffer financial loss? Goods destined for Northern consumers would still land at New York or Boston or Philadelphia. Tariffs would still be collected. Revenue for the government would still be raised. And the South could set their tariffs to zero and that wouldn't change. So I fail to see how Southern tariff rates would make a bit of difference to the North. And I fail to see where competition would come from. Southern industry? Southern shipping lines? Southern financial institutions? None existed. The South had no cards to play in this arena.
“The South had no cards to play in this arena.”
Very myopic and downright wrong.
Remember that slavery, for these Communists, was just an afterthought, a tool. Before the War for Independence, it was the Southern colonies that petitioned the King to stop importing slaves into the South. Did you know that Jefferson tried to include in the Declaration of Independence a complaint against the King because his government had forbidden the colonies to end the slave trade? Jefferson’s language was deleted to avoid giving offense to New England, which was making buckets of money trading slaves.
The North didn’t want to give up its revenue source-—the Southern states.
The Southern Confederacy will not employ our ships or buy our goods. What is our shipping without it? Literally nothing....It is very clear that the South gains by this process, and we lose. No-—we MUST NOT “let the South go.” ——Union Democrat, Manchester, NH, February 19, 1861
The commercial bearing of the question has acted upon the North...We now see clearly whither we are tending, and the policy we must adopt. With us it is no longer an abstract question-—one of Constitutional construction, or of the reserved or delegated powers of the State or Federal government, but of material existence and moral position both at home and abroad.....We were divided and confused till our pockets were touched. -—New York Times March 30, 1861
Didn't last long, did it?
. Did you know that Jefferson tried to include in the Declaration of Independence a complaint against the King because his government had forbidden the colonies to end the slave trade? Jefferson’s language was deleted to avoid giving offense to New England, which was making buckets of money trading slaves.
Not to mention the fact that Georgia and South Carolina would have walked out had it been left in.
The Southern Confederacy will not employ our ships or buy our goods.
Then where would the Southern Confederacy go to? Their own ships? ROTFLMAO!!!!!! The South still had cotton to ship and goods to buy. Unless they were complete idiots - always a distinct possibility - then they would go to whoever provided the service at the best price. That could just as easily be the U.S. shippers. Stop and think for once in your life. Who was there to replace them? The British? What makes you think that they had that much shipping just laying around waiting for customers?
And what about that tariff anyway?
"Amidst this prospect of evil, I am glad to see one good effect. It has brought the necessity of some plan of general emancipation & deportation more home to the minds of our people than it has ever been before. Insomuch, that our Governor has ventured to propose one to the legislature. This will probably not be acted on at this time. Nor would it be effectual; for while it proposes to devote to that object one third of the revenue of the State, it would not reach one tenth of the annual increase. My proposition would be that the holders should give up all born after a certain day, past, present, or to come, that these should be placed under the guardianship of the State, and sent at a proper age to S. Domingo. There they are willing to recieve them, & the shortness of the passage brings the deportation within the possible means of taxation aided by charitable contributions. In this I think Europe, which has forced this evil on us, and the Eastern states who have been it's chief instruments of importation, would be bound to give largely."
That was from an 1820 letter to Albert Gallatin. And you thought Lincoln was racist, huh?
“Then where would the Southern Confederacy go to? Their own ships? ROTFLMAO!!!!!! The South still had cotton to ship and goods to buy. Unless they were complete idiots - always a distinct possibility - then they would go to whoever provided the service at the best price. That could just as easily be the U.S. shippers. Stop and think for once in your life. Who was there to replace them? The British? What makes you think that they had that much shipping just laying around waiting for customers?”
Well...Many Northerners would if that “hero” of yours would of got his due earlier!
As of 1860 the Southern states exported about three fourths of what they produced, mainly cotton and tobacco and other agricultural products, and used the proceeds of those sales to purchase manufactured goods either from Europeans or Northern manufacturers.
“Unless they were complete idiots - always a distinct possibility...”
You ever wonder why others can’t take you too seriously for too long?
You always insult the South out of one side of your mouth, and then try to get understanding of the North’s rape of the South out of the other while placing blame on the South for what the North did and then stating your belief, time and time again, how horrible “Southrons” are but should be forced on you, a Northern. With your attitude, why would you not want to be done with the South and have it removed from your little world (basement or whatever) altogether even unto this day?
You should continue to praise yourself while locked away in whatever shelter you have. You could even praise yourself for the freaky attraction you have to some unlearned people who could possibly drink your Kool-Aid and believe some of the hate-filled history you’ve revised on your own (or received from the so-called education the North seems to pass along as an “education” to those possessing no more than two brain cells to rub together - AND THANK Y’ALL FOR OUR NEW POTUS, btw), BUT FOR THE FACT that you always taint it with your hatred for the South by pulling thoughts out of your arse, and then have the nerve to expect others to “see” or “get” your shi**y thoughts.
Think. Unless you aren’t — and it’s a VERY distinct possibility — a complete idiot.
“And you thought Lincoln was racist, huh?”
Jefferson was no Communist..Unlike dishonest Abe
Communists supported Lincoln and the Union cause
The Lincoln cult knows about all of this, but works diligently to keep it out of view of the general public. The fact that news organizations reported the “find,” however, creates a problem for the cult. A cover-up/excuse-making campaign must commence.
OFFICIAL RECORDS: Series 2, vol 5, Part 1 (Prisoners of War) p. 389-390
GOLDSBOROUGH, N. C., March 24, 1863.
Major General J. G. FOSTER, Federal Army.
SIR: Two communications have been referred to me as the successor of General French. The prisoners from Swindell’s company and the Seventh North Carolina are true prisoners of war and if not paroled I will retaliate five-fold. In regard to your first communication touching the burning of Plymouth you seem to have forgotten two things. You forget, sir, that you are a Yankee and that Plymouth is a Southern town. It is no business of yours if we choose to burn one of our own towns. A meddling Yankee troubles himself about every body’s matters except his own and repents of everybody’s sins except his own. We are a different people. Should the Yankees burn a Union village in Connecticut or a cod-fish town in Massachusetts we would not meddle with them but rather bid them God-speed in their work of purifying the atmosphere. Your second act of forgetfulness consists in your not remembering that you are the most atrocious house-burner as yet unhung in the wide universe. Let me remind you of the fact that you have made two raids when you were weary of debauching in your negro harem and when you knew that your forces outnumbered the Confederates five to one. Your whole line of march has been marked by burning churches, school-houses, private residences, barns, stables, gin-houses, negro cabins, fences in the row, &c. Your men have plundered the country of all that it contained and wantonly destroyed what they could not carry off. Before you started on your freebooting expedition toward Tarborough you addressed your soldiers in the town of Washington and told them that you were going to take them to a rich country full of plunder. With such a hint to your thieves it is not wonderful that your raid was characterized by rapine, pillage, arson and murder. Learning last December that there was but a single weak brigade on this line you tore yourself from the arms of sable beauty and moved out with 15,000 men on a grand marauding foray. You partially burned Kinston and entirely destroyed the village of White Hall. The elegant mansion of the planter and the hut of the poor farmer and fisherman were alike consumed by your brigands. How matchless is the impudence which in view of this wholesale arson can complain of the burning of Plymouth in the heat of action! But there is another species of effrontery which New England itself cannot excel. When you return to your harem from one of these Union-restoring excursions you write to your Government the deliberate lie that you have discovered a large and increasing Union sentiment in this State. No one knows better than yourself that there is not a respectable man in North Carolina in any condition of life who is not utterly and irrevocably opposed to union with your hated and hateful people. A few wealthy men have meanly and falsely professed Union sentiments to save their property and a few ignorant fishermen have joined your ranks but to betray you when the opportunity offers. No one knows better than yourself that our people are true as steel and that our poorer classes have excelled the wealthy in their devotion to our cause. You knowingly and willfully lie when you speak of a Union sentiment in this brave, noble and patriotic State. Wherever the trained and disciplined soldiers of North Carolina have met the Federal forces you have been scattered as leaves before the hurricane.
In conclusion let me inform you that I will receive no more white flags from you except the one which covers your surrender of the scene of your lust, your debauchery and your crimes. No one dislikes New England more cordially than I do, but there are thousands of honorable men even there who abhor your career fully as much as I do.
Sincerely and truly, your enemy,
D. H. HILL,
Major-General, C. S. Army
Times don’t change..Do they? Yankee
“Times don’t change..Do they? Yankee”
Not in his basement, no.
Best Regards,
BR
P.S. You’ve posted some great writing on this thread.
“There was nothing noble about the Confederacy. Nothing.”
Well. Only at post #6 and already the South haters show up with their insults and venom. Since you want to play that game, my Scots-Irish ancestors made a career out of kicking Irish ass, from the battles in Ulster to Fredericksburg. Y’all were Pussies.
“Well. Only at post #6 and already the South haters show up with their insults and venom.”
Yeah. They were quite late; it’s not the norm that it took so long. :-)
Now, lest you think I'm wrong about this, I'll cite no better authority than President Bush, who wailed about the racial gap in school performance when submitting the idiotic No Child Left Behind boondoggle. He promised to close that gap. He failed.
Obama has also promised to close it, and he'll fail, too.
Now I'm sure you'll say that non-Southern states won't have a racial gap like that since they aren't "racist". So check out Pennsylvania's SATs:
http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/Pennsylvania_CBS_08.pdf
While you're at it, check out the condition if the DC schools. DC regularly comes in behind even the "appalling" southron states, despite spending more money per capita on education than any state and despite a ton of affirmative action and integrationist programs.
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