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Southerners looking to share their Confederate holiday
Hartford Courant ^ | March 22, 2009 | Dahleen Glanton

Posted on 03/21/2009 6:26:13 AM PDT by cowboyway

ATLANTA — In a cultural war that has pitted Old South against new, defenders of the Confederate legacy have opened a fresh front in their campaign to polish an image tarnished, they said, by people who do not respect Southern values.

With the 150th anniversary of the War Between the States in 2011, efforts are under way in statehouses, small towns and counties across the South to push for proclamations or legislation promoting Confederate history.

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To: mac_truck

Someone said Kansas was the bastion of Republicanism. It may have been at one time, but is not any longer. Evidence of that is the election of Kathleen Sebelius.


201 posted on 03/21/2009 6:05:58 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Idabilly
I have family who’s homes were burned by snivelling little yankees with their torches, since they couldn’t beat us fair and square.

You lost. Deal with it.

There is no reason why the Southern states couldn't have seceded. They just couldn't do it unilaterally. Secession, as James Madison wrote, requires the consent of both the affected parties - those leaving and those staying.

Wasn’t Lincoln’s own Secretary of State, William Seward, correct when he said, a few months before the North invaded the South, “It would be contrary to the spirit of the American Government to use force to subjugate the South”?

If he said that it was before the South resorted to war to achieve their aims.

202 posted on 03/21/2009 6:07:27 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: wardaddy
without even needing to look ahead I will bet the homey posse and GOP neoyankees are having an orgy on this thread.

Hey, I just came in for some newspaper and a pack of smokes.../lmao

203 posted on 03/21/2009 6:09:27 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

“The South has a long and inglorious history of electing Democrats and suckling the Federal teat.”

Yeah, funny how that works, when one party destroys, bankrupts, impoverishes and renders destitute another, and then tells the vanquished that if it will agree to go along with the victors’ plans and rules the victor will magnaminously give them some food so they won’t starve to death.


204 posted on 03/21/2009 6:10:12 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six
Evidence of that is the election of Kathleen Sebelius.

That's as stupid as saying that California is not a bastion of the Democratic party because their governor is Arnold Schwartzenegger. Kansas has gone Republican in every election since 1964, something not a single Southern state can say. Admit it, Southern states didn't begin to switch to the GOP until you found you could change and still keep your big spending, big government ways.

205 posted on 03/21/2009 6:10:19 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ought-six
Say what? No one ever said Illinois was a bastion of Republicanism. But someone DID say that Kansas was.

But he was your governor.

206 posted on 03/21/2009 6:11:37 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ought-six
IOW, you got deuces.

Mebbe you should save up and buy a map johnny.

207 posted on 03/21/2009 6:12:17 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Non-Sequitur

“If he said that it was before the South resorted to war to achieve their aims.”

Uh, the states of the nascent Confedeacy had already seceded by the time of the Ft. Sumter incident (and, I assume it is Sumter to which you allude in your comment about “war”).


208 posted on 03/21/2009 6:13:18 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Hmm...so let me get this straight. You all are sniping at each other based on one’s locale and for the actions of (dead) people that they had nothing to do with.

Actually, history is repeating itself right in front of us. It's more regional than you think. At some point people are going to start to realize that their state X has nothing in common with state Y, but state Z would make a good ally. When that happens independence looks real good. I have already contemplated it myself. Looking to history for guidance.

209 posted on 03/21/2009 6:13:24 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: ought-six
Do you care to rescind that?

No.

Cite your source.

Rebel conscription laws and desertion and draft avoidance rates. There were whole sections of some rebel states where the confederate government dared not go due to deserters and draft dodgers. Maybe it was just the cause?

210 posted on 03/21/2009 6:13:48 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
If he said that it was before the South resorted to war to achieve their aims.

You are running low on ammo, better keep quiet. Let it go Yankee hero.

211 posted on 03/21/2009 6:15:02 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

You tell me, NS. With the Feds ever encroaching on the rights of individuals today, who is winning the battle now? You happy with the way it all turned out? Or, better put, turned around to bite us in the arse?

Are you going to argue still, to the point of nausea, that the Civil War was centred on slavery? Yes, you will.

(Cheat Sheet Answer: NO, IT WAS NOT. Read real history now and again; it’s good for the soul.)

BR


212 posted on 03/21/2009 6:15:17 PM PDT by Birmingham Rain ("Where you tend a rose, my lad, a thistle cannot grow." (The Secret Garden))
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To: ought-six
Oh, you mean the income tax that Lincoln instituted. Yeah, you’re right: Lincoln tried to make up for the loss of Southern revenues by instituting an income tax (the first in America, by the way), a move that was so unpopular it posed a threat to his presidency.

No, I'm talking about tariff revenues alone. They had almost doubled to over $100 million in FY 1863. See Lincoln's 1864 message to Congress in December 1864.

And the first income tax was levied by the confederate government, in 1861. Source

213 posted on 03/21/2009 6:17:28 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Idabilly
I have family who’s homes were burned by snivelling little yankees with their torches, since they couldn’t beat us fair and square.

What was the victorious Confederate army doing when your folks got their house burnt down? Seems to me those southern heroes should have kept the defeated Yankees from burning down houses. I wouldn't blame the Yankees just because the CSA was derelict in their duty.

214 posted on 03/21/2009 6:17:57 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: central_va
A haughty person saying "I am proud, dismissive, arrogant Yankee". That is redundant - "Yankee" says it all.

Kind of like saying "I'm an educated Southerner."

I repeat myself: no such thing as a conservative Yankee.

Ronald Reagan.

Now, don't you feel plumb stupid?

215 posted on 03/21/2009 6:19:01 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Birmingham Rain
With the Feds ever encroaching on the rights of individuals today, who is winning the battle now? You happy with the way it all turned out? Or, better put, turned around to bite us in the arse?

No. But I suggest that it is due more to the actions of presidents like Wilson and FDR and LBJ and Clinton than anything Lincoln did.

Are you going to argue still, to the point of nausea, that the Civil War was centred on slavery? Yes, you will.

Does the truth hurt?

(Cheat Sheet Answer: NO, IT WAS NOT. Read real history now and again; it’s good for the soul.)

You mean real history like Tommy DiLorenzo or the Kennedy boys? I've read them all. I love good comedy.

216 posted on 03/21/2009 6:21:30 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: central_va
You are running low on ammo, better keep quiet. Let it go Yankee hero.

And who's going to beat me? You???? ROTFLMAO!!!!!

217 posted on 03/21/2009 6:22:28 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: PurpleMan

“No matter what you think or do, the Confederacy and Slavery will always be connected in history and equated with one another.”

The real outcome of the Civil War and the passage of the 14th Amendment is that they closed the southern plantation and freed the African slaves, opened the federal plantation and made us all slaves. More than four score years later, after the so-called “Civil War,” the federal government defeated our former union of sovereign states. This began the “Reconstruction Era” during which our original form of government was fundamentally altered. Just what was “reconstructed?” And, as a result of “reconstruction,” what are we now?

In the course of time, beginning with the “reconstruction era,” have we not all been reduced to the status that can best be described as federally-owned slaves? Are we not, at best, sharecroppers?

The fedgov is our new master, compelling our servitude and tribute with taxes and regulations beyond anything the founding fathers would have imagined or tolerated.


218 posted on 03/21/2009 6:22:42 PM PDT by Idabilly
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To: ought-six
Uh, the states of the nascent Confedeacy had already seceded by the time of the Ft. Sumter incident (and, I assume it is Sumter to which you allude in your comment about “war”).

And no hostile action had been taken towards them until they initiated the war by firing on Sumter.

219 posted on 03/21/2009 6:23:36 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Now, don't you feel plumb stupid?

Born in Ill. Reagan was a Californian at heart, before it completely became Mexifornication. So no, I am not feeling stupid. Actually, being a Yankee is an attitude as well as a region. A "better-than-you" way of thinking that I really hate. Yankees/RINO's are everywhere.

220 posted on 03/21/2009 6:25:07 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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