Posted on 11/15/2008 6:48:02 PM PST by palmer
It's apparent that a combination of fervent believers and a small number of psychopaths and/or infiltrators have dominated the birth certificate discussion. The early evidence was in their favor and everyone should have been skeptical of the low res images on Kos, smears and politifact. The new evidence is not and is not being addressed objectively.
But photo #5 (and some of the others) is a genuine photograph of an artifact. It was not created in photoshop. That doesn't mean photoshop was not involved. A plausible set of steps is
1. Scan a real COLB including the border
2. Import into photoshop and change the text to Obama's text
3. Print the result onto the cross hatched paper (could be forged separately)
4. Obtain a embossing seal and apply it to the printout 5. Fold it as if it came from an envelope and display it to the factcheck photographer.
Another plausible scenario is someone in the Hawaii office did all the forging but on the official equipment and using the official seal. Another possibility is someone stole a seal and sold it to a forger. It is certainly possible for a forger to make a seal using the right equipment (probably a laser etcher).
The Kenya trip meme seemed to turn into an established fact in early July when proposed by null and void and properly ridiculed. Even into November null and void can only repeat her hypothesis (a honeymoon) apparently unwilling or unable to embellish it further.
Polarik surrounds himself with a number of true believers and useful idiots. The useful idiots are the ones who validate or praise his analysis while obviously not knowing anything about it. The true believers have convinced themselves that Obama was not born in Honolulu and are unable to evaluate the evidence objectively.
In their favor, the true believers have established that Obama has potential Indonesian citizenship (courtesy of Soetoro) as well as potential Kenyan citizenship (courtesy of Obama Sr). These are true regardless of where Obama was born. For the former the Kenyan citizenship would have to be activated by Obama. For the latter, Soetoro would have had to apply to make Obama an Indonesian citizen, it does not happen automatically via adoption.
The bottom line for Polarik is he has yet to address the certificate linked above. He has promised to do this for weeks now and is instead disseminating and repeating his various diatribes against Obama. My guess based on his past behavior is that he will release a rehash of the evidence against the old scan (Kos, smears, politifact) with a bit of new verbiage against the factcheck photos. He will properly point out some oddities in some of the photos while ignoring the obvious salient features in the decent photos such as number 5.
He and I have already argued about the seal (embossing) in number 5 and he claims it is a perfect circle (therefore forged). I showed that it wasn't http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq51/palmer2/circle.jpg and he replied with a very similar result except he used some edge detection first. He obviously just fools with some tools, but doesn't obtain any useful results. When it comes to image analysis he is a dabbler, not an expert.
With cover from his defenders he establishes a "sensitive" personality claiming that he is being ruthlessly attacked. He says that as a result he will stop posting on the certificate issue when he is done with his final writeup. I don't know if that's a real sensitivity or faked, but even if it is faked there are thousands more that will step into his shoes if he disappears.
That thread and others contain useful nuggets about other Obama problems. There are alternative threads that speak to real evidence although some of those get beaten down by the Polarik army. Polarik's followers also use Freepmail to spread gossip about posters like myself and allegedly (according to them) posted about me on another forum.
That is all good. The more publicity I get on this particular issue, the better. But I remain concerned that FreeRepublic will have the appearance of a conspiracy site because only a rather intensive conspiracy could produce the evidence photographed by Factcheck.
I am also concerned that Factcheck and others might be deliberately planting poor quality evidence in an attempt to hook in the Polariks of the world and their followers. That would not necessarily require a conspiracy although I admit it has the flavor of one. It is to the liberal opposition's benefit to keep as many people on false trails as possible not just to waste their time but to portray them as unhinged. That result was detrimental in the last election and will be detrimental in 2010 and 2012.
IMO of course.
I am just pointing out the facts that I see which will ultimately help improve the quality of the conspiracy. I really have nothing against those folks, but I want them to acknowledge the reality of the evidence (i.e. the artifact in the photos) and weave a better conspiracy around it. I proposed several in my initial post and they are fairly reasonable (e.g. an authorized forgery in the govt. office in Hawaii).
I'd guess that he might have become a candidate in order to have standing to challenge Obama in court over eligibility. Maybe someone can confirm.
Not this time.
A man must be registered to be eligible for jobs in the Executive Branch of the Federal government and the U.S. Postal Service. Proof of registration is required only for men born after December 31, 1959.
Yep, that appears to cover him. If the registration is bogus, he may have more than one problem.
NO, they did NOT. Now you're just engaging in shallow Obamanism. Shame on you! The lower court sided with Obama's argument that Berg did not have standing with the court to even file the suit because, as the judge said, the "harm" created by an inelligible candidate was too attenuous to determine, whatever the hell that means...part of Obama and the DNC's argument was that since Berg wasn't a candidate himself, he shouldn't be allowed to file. The court did NOT "throw out" his evidence, AND, the affidavits (yes, there were at least 2 AFFIDAVITS) were not part of the lower court case, they were added to the appeal to the Supreme Court. They were by the 2 people (both ministers, for whatever that's worth) that conducted and translated his interview with the grandmother. One thing has become painfully clear. You don't even know the basics about this issue, but yet you have basically posted a pro-Obama thread, doing their propaganda for them. That ain't cool, man. Yeah, Berg has a lot of baggage apart from this, but that's separate from the legal facts.
Please post a succinct explanation of the Hawaii loophole consistent with the Factcheck photo.
Previous lawsuits were discounted because they had no standing.
Keyes may have a case.
Dianna, I think we may have the biggest coverup in American history...well..there are probably others...but right now...an ineligible President seems pretty severe.
I am not sure the truth will ever see the light of day.
Someone mentioned last night that Keyes rushed to get registered as an independent. He made sure to get in CA. I think he did not get all 50 states. He also picked a CA resident as VP. This would give them standing in any lawsuit. CA has a precident of cases where people are thrown off the ballot for not being qualified by old enough (age) or for not being Americans.
Keyes is a very good conservative but he is usually a GOP team player. The GOP rushed him to IL to run against O when O’s goons unsealed Ryan’s divorce case.
I think Keyes was drafted to run in CA as insurance. UK intelligence, Europeans and Africans know Obama was born in Kenya. Africans also know he is a Muslim. I know Rhodesians who know the tribe his father is from.
Is this separate from the Governor doing whatever it was she did to put it out of reach?
Thanks, Velveeta.
Uh, oh. Palmer has a thread.
Y’all might want to check this out; ping.
“after the response to that they’ll be even more hesitant.”
How do you know this?
I have no idea what Obama’s original birth certificate looks like, but “FactCheck’s” deceptively labeled http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg is an printout of an abstract and not the actual birth certificate.
Come on. Stop quoting that silly “Factcheck” site. It is making you look more silly than anyone on this thread. You have to know that Factcheck.org is built by lefties / Obama supporters, and as much as you don’t want FreeRepublic to be ridiculed by the left, I doubt you want to get labeled an Obama supporter. Right?
I have posted an pro-fact thread regarding the photos at Factcheck. I also strayed into the Kenya evidence because it seemed particularly lacking, but I have only watched Berg's expose on youtube and read about his lower court case.
As for the affidavits, they will have to be reviewed by a court to see if they withstand scrutiny (and if they are relevant).
Obama's mother was born in the US. The only reason he would be in trouble if he was born in Kenya is her age. Congress could always pass a law redefining "natural born citizen" to include anyone who had at least one parent who was an American citizen, regardless of age, and that would be that.
For that matter, they could redefine "natural born citizen" so it included being born in the US or its possessions or in Kenya, and who's to stop them?
Factcheck.org is part of the Annenburg group and an ACORN organization started by 0bama. It is an unreliable source of information.
My post was purely opinion, sorry. The SCOTUS responses to the various Bush vs Gore were wishy-washy IMO. Then the court was slammed for getting involved and slammed for "selecting" the President. I think they're going to be more hesitant than ever to get involved and make a strong statement about a Presidential election.
I realize that. I am only explaining how it was probably produced (or more precisely, not produced). It could contain misinformation created in a variety of ways as I listed.
The point is... it can be done. An insider in the Hawaii state government could probably have pulled it off without much of a trace. For others, it would be more difficult.
I'd even agree that it's possible to forge the long form... but it's infinitely more difficult, especially if it is to survive professional examination.
But the short COLB is easy enough to forge that ANY variety of it is inadequate given the weight of the situation. Only the original long form (like the one McCain produced some time ago) is sufficient.
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