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Thompson Played Grant _ No Hero in South
AP via SFGate ^ | 11/13/7 | Jim Davenport

Posted on 11/13/2007 1:06:08 PM PST by SmithL

Charleston, S.C. (AP) -- Fred Thompson has gotten a lot of mileage out of his movie and TV fame as he runs for the Republican presidential nomination. And on Tuesday, speaking at The Citadel military college, he made sure to mention one of his recent roles: president of the United States, in the movie "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee."

But that wasn't all good for someone campaigning in the South.

"Some people say I've got a little making up to do," he said. "The last role I played when I was in the movies — I played Ulysses S. Grant." That's the Northern Civil War general who went on to become president. But it could have been worse.

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To: stand watie
Then you must believe that Davis was duped by a false letter, purporting to be from Boyle, which he put into his book (scans of original text available here-see pages 498-500), and that he was also duped by another letter, from Lewis Schade, Wirz's attorney, which also mentions Boyle, and which Davis also reprints.
201 posted on 11/15/2007 3:06:32 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: stand watie
the totality of your posts are ignorant, unknowing, stupidity & sound like the ravings of a demented, 7th grade dropout. as i said before: those who "focus in on" my admittedly eccentric capitalization/punctuation & miss the CONTENT are, in a word, brainless/witless. (this means you, "mentally challenged" person & laughingstock. perhaps, Judy _________ is really right about you.)

You probably mean "ignorant, unknowing, stupid ..." or "ignorant, unknowing stupidity ..."

Don't let your fight against capital letters turn you against commas as well.

BTW, I thought Judy Imaginary Person told you not to make fun of the "challenged." Now she's telling you that I'm "challenged."

I guess it's hard to keep things straight when you make it up as you go.

but PLEASE keep "zeroing in on" the UNIMPORTANT stuff, as you DAMAGE the "unionists" & DYs with every one. (anything that converts neutrals to the TRUE CAUSE advances the longterm plan for dixie FREEDOM.)

And what pray tell, is the "IMPORTANT stuff"?

Making the same insults ten times a day?

Tell us where this alleged massacre took place and we'll move on to that.

For that matter, clue me in as to where you almost met Billy Martin and we can discuss that.

202 posted on 11/15/2007 3:08:17 PM PST by x
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To: stand watie
You also have to believe, apparently, that the author of The True Story of Andersonville Prison: A Defense of Major Henry Wirz from 1908, was an out and out liar, since he repeatedly talks about Boyle.
203 posted on 11/15/2007 3:15:11 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: stand watie
Here's Davis again, from an 1890 article in "Belford's Magazine" entitled Andersonville and Other War-prisons", apparently published immediately after his death. It lacks page numbers, but the search engine lets you find this passage: "In answer to an inquiry addressed by me to the Reverend Father Boyle, I received the letter of which the following is a copy."

Davis goes on to reprint the entire letter from Boyle, and then follows it with "These witnesses were men of high quality and intelligence, of whom it could not be pretended that they were in any manner connection with the charges under consideration, or otherwise of doubtful credibility." What an idiot, huh? I mean, according to you, there wasn't even such a person as Father Boyle, and here's dumb ol' Jefferson Davis telling everyone what a high-quality witness he is. LOL!

204 posted on 11/15/2007 3:29:04 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: billbears
>> How? The Actor isn't getting my vote anyway. Nor anyone else I know of come to think of it.... <<

But what about the great Ron "Scooter Libby deserves to be in prison because he disagees with me on Iraq" Paul? He's still in the race, and will be 'til the bitter end...

205 posted on 11/15/2007 3:32:11 PM PST by BillyBoy (Fred Thompson isn't the second coming of Reagan, he's the second coming of Stephen A. Douglas!)
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To: x
laughing AT you.

fwiw, you are WIDELY-known on FR to be a FOOL.

free dixie,sw

206 posted on 11/16/2007 7:26:24 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep; All
actually, you've "caught your tail in the gate" AGAIN, LIAR. (NOT uncommon for you to tell a CLUMSY, stupid, LIE!)

i've NEVER said that there was NO such person as Father Boyle, but rather that i did NOT know anything about him & that the Chief of Custody of the prison does NOT mention any such person being there & DOES state that CPT Wirz was DENIED the counsel of a Roman Catholic priest to take his confession & administer the Last Rites of the church, on the orders of "secretary stanton".

in other words, you've caught YOURSELF in yet another LIE! (this FACT is NOT a surprise to anyone who frequents these threads.)

laughing AT you!!!

free dixie,sw

207 posted on 11/16/2007 7:34:15 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie

Ah, so you accept that there was such a person as Father Boyle, but that he simply lied to Davis when he wrote to him saying that he was with Wirz in his cell and on the gallows, and that Wirz’s lawyer also lied to Davis when he wrote that Boyle was in the cell with him and Wirz on the morning of the execution.


208 posted on 11/16/2007 9:56:03 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep; All
what part of "i don't know" did you NOT understand???

i know (personally) of no such person, who was IN the cell-block. period. end of story.

was "Father Boyle" a ROMAN CATHOLIC priest??? (CPT Wirz, being a devout Catholic, would NOT have given his confession to anyone other than a RC priest.)

laughing AT you.

free dixie,sw

209 posted on 11/16/2007 10:04:08 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
(CPT Wirz, being a devout Catholic, would NOT have given his confession to anyone other than a RC priest.)

Schade identifies Boyle as Wirz's confessor in his letter to Davis. From The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government, page 498. "On the night previous to the execution of the prisoner, some parties came to the confessor of Wirz (Rev. Father Boyle) and also to me " He must be lying, huh, and Jefferson just a dupe to believe him, right?

The True Story of Andersonville Prison: A Defense of Major Henry Wirz published in 1908, says on page 218:

The next day after the interview with his attorney, Major Wirz being a Roman Catholic, requested permission to send for a priest of that faith. His jailors readily assented, and the Rev. F.E. Boyle waited upon Major Wirz in his cell. At the request of Father Boyle the soldier in attendance stepped one side.

Every movement and turn of the prisoner was reported and dilated upon and embellished by the press. Nothing was spoilt in the telling, and the (page 219) fact that Major Wirz sent for a Roman Catholic priest was heralded throughout the country.(...)

(pages 227-228) On the morning of November 10, Major Henry Wirz received the last rites of his church. He told Father Boyle that he forgave his enemies. He made his peace with God, and when the officer who had charge of the execution came to notify him that the time had come, Wirz responded, "I am ready, sir," and in the presence of Father Boyle, mounted the steps leading to the scaffold. He met his death without a tremor, like the brave man that he was"

All a pack of lies, huh?

210 posted on 11/16/2007 10:57:04 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: stand watie
what part of "i don't know" did you NOT understand???

But it has to be one or the other, right? You say that there was no Catholic priest. Multiple sources say that there was. So for you to be right, all those sources, from Wirz's lawyer to Jefferson Davis on down must be wrong. Both versions can't be correct, and for Schade to be that wrong, it must be an out and out lie, right?

211 posted on 11/16/2007 11:01:08 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: x

Now that there is funny - I don’t care who you are!


212 posted on 11/17/2007 9:04:42 AM PST by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep; All
actually YOU (the KNOWN liar/bigot/fool) say that. (as i said, most people here wouldn't believe you if you said it was Friday, without checking the calendar) it is no more complicated than, "you are NOT believed".

i have NOT & probably will not take the little time i have available to go read a bunch of "sources" that you quote, because NOBODY here believes "bubba, the liar".

free dixie,sw

213 posted on 11/17/2007 11:38:39 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
In other words, you're going to cover your ears and go, "LA LA LA LA," rather than find yourself face to face with evidence that contradicts your (incorrect) beliefs.

Now, what about that "oldest synagogue in Dixie"? Or do you want to go back to the El Paso Thanksgiving, since it's that time of year?

214 posted on 11/19/2007 9:10:52 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
WHEN are you going to get the message that NOTHING you post is BELIEVED by anyone on these threads, with the possible exception of "rockit" (the VULGAR-posting DY) &"x" (the amiable DUNCE)???

your REPUTATION is RUINED on FR forever. nonetheless, PLEASE keep spewing out evermore liquefied manure, as you damage the unionists with every emission.

free dixie,sw

215 posted on 11/19/2007 8:21:22 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: x; All
btw, DUNCE, who wrote #202 for you?? (N-S is my guess)

everyone here KNOWS you are INCAPABLE of "thought". (as i've said, Judy believes you to be "mentally challenged", i.e., RETARDED.)

as i've said, i post as i wish to IRRITATE "twits" & "self-important BOOBS", like YOU for example.

free dixie,sw

216 posted on 11/20/2007 7:26:34 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
Yes, let's do Thanksgiving. Now, according to you, the Spanish were celebrating Thanksgiving outside El Paso "100+" years before the Pilgrims landed.

For that to be correct, one of the following has to be wrong:

A) The Spanish invaded Mexico in 1519 and completed the conquest of the Aztecs in 1521

B) The Pilgrims landed in Plymouth in 1620.

Which of these facts, which seem to be undisputed from every source I can find, is wrong?

217 posted on 11/20/2007 10:02:57 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep; All
WHY should anyone believe ANYTHING you post AFTER you contradicted your-SELF (in the SAME thread. that was really STUPID!) about Cortez's conquest of Mexico.

HOW could you be either DIShonest enough or DUMB/clue-LESS enough to say that Cortez "had not landed" AND "was conquering the Aztecs" at the SAME time.

the TRUE answer is that you are NOTHING but a CLUMSY, SERIAL LIAR, whose "word of honor" is a JOKE to almost all here!

PITY that you don't know how DISHONEST & FOOLish you are seen to be, by almost everyone who reads your LYING bilge.

free dixie,sw

218 posted on 11/21/2007 10:48:37 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
Ah, there you are. So, please elaborate. What I said was that, if your "100+" years before the Pilgrims landed meant 102 or more, you had the Spanish celebrating Thanksgiving outside El Paso before Cortez even landed. If it meant 101, you had it happening while Cortez was still fighting the Aztecs around Tenochtitlan.

So the ball's in your court: In what year did that Thanksgiving happen outside El Paso? Was it 1519, the year Cortez landed, or was it earlier? Or is your argument that the Pilgrims did not land in 1620, as has been widely reported, and landed in, oh, say 1700, which would be 102 years after what El Paso celebrates as the first Thanksgiving in 1598?

219 posted on 11/21/2007 11:04:52 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep; All
to ALL: more ARROGANT bilge from "bubba, the LIAR"!!!

folks, this is a CLASSIC case of him TRYING to avoid admitting that he has LIED repeatedly on FR & that he was previously banned FOREVER from FR, as a different "alias".

to "bubba": WHEN are you going to ADMIT WHO/WHAT you are (provide PROOF, as you will otherwise NOT be believed) & apologize for being "bubba, the LIAR & BIGOT"???

laughing AT your CLUMSY attempt to "change the subject" AWAY from your DISHONESTY & BIGOTRY.

free dixie,sw

220 posted on 11/21/2007 11:14:22 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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