Posted on 05/26/2007 1:49:34 PM PDT by Eurotwit
A few weeks ago – in between Hillary Clinton’s official entry into the presidential race and the first Republican primary debate of the cycle – the fiery online conservative forum Free Republic marked a decade in operation as one of the premier online forums for right-wing political discussion.
It also experienced one of the biggest internal battles to rock the site since the 2000 election of George W. Bush -- a tumultuous campaign year that nearly tore the site apart, as its founder and chief administrator first cleansed commenting ranks of Bush supporters, then, later, rallied to his support.
At the heart of the latest controversy: the fight over the conservative bona fides of Rudy Giuliani.
Over the past few weeks, chaos has reigned in the “Freeper” community as members sympathetic to the former mayor's candidacy claim to have suffered banishment from the site. They were victimized, they say, by a wave of purges designed to weed out any remaining support for the Giuliani campaign on the popular conservative web forum. Another significant chunk of commenters have migrated away from the controversial site over the action, according to a number of former site members and conservative bloggers who have been tracking the situation.
In a plaintive post on the blog “Sweetness & Light,” exiled commenter Steve Gilbert, who says he does not support the former mayor’s campaign, blasted the site’s new “anti-Giuliani, anti-abortion jihad.” Since George W. Bush was elected president, he wrote, “there haven’t been any large scale [Free Republic] purges to speak of – until now.”
The fight began one month ago, when site founder Jim Robinson posted an anti-Giuliani manifesto titled: “Giuliani as the GOP presidential nominee would be a dagger in the heart of the conservative movement.” Then the virtual ax started to swing. Longtime posters to the freewheeling discussion threads, used to serious no-holds-barred web etiquette, were still stunned by the intensity of the anti-Rudy activity; conservative blogs buzzed with the development.
“Jim Robinson has been going on a tear demonizing Rudy Giuliani, because Rudy (agreeing with the vast majority of Americans), is personally opposed to abortions on a moral level…” complained a user on the GOPUSA Web site. “Anyone who posts any support for Giuliani at the site, if it's at all forceful, will be banned.”
(“Normally, we don't allow complaints about other conservative forums,” chided the moderator, but “…because it is being discussed all over the Internet, I'll make an exception.”)
Just a few months ago, Rudy Giuliani placed second in an early Free Republic straw poll; now, his support on the site has been virtually eliminated. “After the ‘April Purge,’ I don't think there are any Rudybots left around here,” noted Free Republic commenter “upchuck” in one recent post. “And if there are, they're not posting pro-Rudy stuff :).”
The forums weren’t the only venue for the Free Republic’s new antagonism toward Mr. Giuliani, which coincided with a wave of comments expressing similar sentiments from other corners of the conservative movement. A few days after Mr. Giuliani’s equivocal Roe v. Wade comments at the Republican presidential debate on May 3, a new “STOP RUDY NOW News & Information Thread” was featured on the site, and a newly-created stand-alone category debuted via a link from the homepage: “The Giuliani Truth File.” (So far this campaign season, Mr. Giuliani is the only candidate – Republican or Democratic – to be singled out for that level of scrutiny from the Free Republic.)
Why Rudy? Why now? Some conservative bloggers and former commenters contacted for their view of the continuing controversy say they believe that site founder Jim Robinson holds ideologically middling Republicans like Mr. Giuliani responsible for the GOP’s congressional loss and current woes. (They asked that their names be kept out of this story for fear of antagonizing the famously frisky site regulars.)
Others claim that the former mayor’s top-tier status is spurring frantic site administrators into action. Finally, one popular theory holds that the Free Republic is secretly hoping for another Clinton presidency that would send its Alexa ratings soaring back to levels it hasn’t experienced since its halcyon days of the Clinton impeachment, when a since-soured relationship with blog pioneer Matt Drudge and overwhelming anti-Clinton sentiment in Republican ranks helped make Free Republic one of the hottest Web sites in the nation. It hasn't recovered that luster since the Bush administration took over.
“It’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s an observation,” said one blogger, who describes himself as a half-hearted Mitt Romney supporter. “They’ve still got a brand name that means something, but they’re not what they were in terms of real-world impact. A Hillary presidency would get them there.”
Robinson himself could not be reached for comment, but his original post laid out his case against Mr. Giuliani – a graphics-heavy presentation of some of the former mayor’s most damning moderate quotes in mainstream media venues, along with a color-coded report card tracking his less-than-doctrinaire positions on abortion, immigration, gays and guns.
Robinson, it should be noted, famously blasted George W. Bush’s presidential candidacy back in 2000, before a dramatic late-campaign about-face that saw him emerge as one of the GOP ticket’s biggest supporters. But whether or not Free Republic experiences a similar election-year shift this cycle, the site’s current campaign is spreading a dangerous primary-season meme of Rudy Giuliani as big-city liberal – and turning one of the most influential web forums in conservatism into an exclusive gathering place for those who share that view.
Well, until I get thrown out of here for posting something someone doesn’t like, I have to say that Jim’s assessment rings true, although I’d say he should have said it will be a dagger to the Republicans rather than the Conservatives. It will be bad for conservatives in the sense Giuliani won’t represent me/us, but I think it will actually be a catalyst for conservatives. It will be devastating for the Republican party because Rudy would be the defacto face of it, and the fact is he isn’t a good choice to represent the overall party.
I am a conservative first, Republican second. Philosophy trumps political party. That’s why we have so many worthless RINOs causing us problems. McCain, Graham? Buehler?
Fred be the man.
Bwahahaha ... talk about memes!
ping
-—I miss some of the exiles...-—
Like a migraine.
Woo hoo! We're in a fiery place!
So, Rudy supporters are banned now? Swell! I'd have banned them long ago. Jim Rob's got a real long fuse. But, that's not a bad thing to have in a fiery place... :)
One of the bannees continued to post that Reagan was pro-abortion.
That poster was given evidence, over and over, that their allegation was false. (Despite Reagan signing the California abortion bill when he was Governor, that bill was interpreted more broadly than it was ever intended, hence Reagan stating publicly that he was sorry it was ever signed. Quotes from Reagan at the time show he was always strongly pro-life and that he believed the new law had specific limitations like the life of the mother).
Despite that, the Reagan/pro-abortion allegations continued—all to justify Rudy’s stances as being somehow acceptable. The poster was warned and warned and warned.
It was freepercide, indeed.
That had to be the funniest point of the thread ;’}
The only things notable I'll add is he allowed the scary gun ban to die and he appears to understand the threat islam poses.
Agreed and noted.
I will support whoever wins the primary election for the GOP. I will not vote for Giuliani in the primaries. That said, even if a monkey wins in the primaries, I’d vote for that monkey over Hillary and any & all ‘Rats until I die.
If I am mistaken, I am very sorry...
I only looked at parts of the thread (even that too me hours) :-)
But, if I am wrong I appologize.
I think it is great if people stand up to much of the political class.
WE CAN DO BETTER!!!
Cheers.
Ditto. You can leave, but you will not find a better mass member conservative site.
Yep. I remember it well (that’s me next door at #14854 ;’}
I like it
Gotta' tell the wife about that one ~ of course she already knows.
You "though" what?
Rudy "fan"? Singular? there is just one, you think?
Are you a native English speaker?
Really, I don't miss those guys ~ discovered them only when they decided to anal-eyes me, their favoriate activity. Still, the writer of the lede piece really does sound like one of their guys although I think they did a blood purge on him just before their own end in the Clown-Fuhrer bunker.
Damn, I did miss a lot.
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