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Andrew Bacevich Jr. Killed in Iraq ~ Son of Prominent War Critic Dies By Suicide Bomber....
Iraqslogger ^ | 05/14/2007 9:30 PM ET | staff

Posted on 05/16/2007 9:18:38 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

A renowned professor and prominent critic of the Bush Administration's invasion of Iraq has now lost his son to the war. Lt. Andrew Bacevich, Jr. was killed by a suicide bomber on Sunday.

A local Boston station reports that the younger Bacevich's captain said in an e-mail to the family that he was killed by a suicide bomber in a white sedan his unit had stopped on a main highway south of Samarra.

The DoD's official release of the incident reported on Monday that, "1st Lt. Andrew J. Bacevich, 27, of Walpole, Mass., died May 13 in Balad, Iraq, of wounds suffered when an improvised explosive device detonated near his unit during combat patrol operations in Salah Ad Din Province, Iraq."

Andrew Bacevich, professor of International Relations at Boston University, has a long list of publications supporting his self-label of conservative, but he became disillusioned by what he viewed as an overreliance on military power driving foreign policy choices by "conservative" neocons of the Bush Administration.

In a conversation discussing his latest book, The New American Militarism: How Americans are Seduced by War, Bacevich responded to a question asking if the neocons "believed too deeply in the hype of American hyperpower?," with the interviewer clarifying, "Ruling groups, even while manipulating others, often seem to almost hypnotically convince themselves as well."

Bacevich responded:

That's why I myself tend not to buy into the charge that Bush and others blatantly lied us into this war. I think they believed most of what they claimed.

(Excerpt) Read more at iraqslogger.com ...


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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

My heart breaks for the Professor and his wife and I offer my condolences. Your son’s brave service will be heralded and applauded and his death will be grieved on this Board, sir.


21 posted on 05/16/2007 10:45:07 AM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: KingKenrod
“Is there something specific about the Middle East - and Islam - that prevents those societies from being reformed and transformed?”

Duh..... It’s called Islam. You can’t transform an Islamic society into a modern, free and democratic society because Islam mandates adherence to a ancient tribal society thousands of years old. The only way to transform the middle east is to ban Islam.

22 posted on 05/16/2007 10:46:35 AM PDT by monday
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To: KingKenrod
“The problem isn’t that we tried to transform Iraq, it is that you can’t transform a corrupt culture unless you utterly destroy it first, which is exactly what happened to Germany and Japan.”

We didn’t utterly destroy Germany and Japan. The difference is Fascism is an ideology of the elite. We killed the elite and anyone else willing to fight to the death for Fascism and once we had done that, everyone else in Germany and Japan were willing to get on with their lives. They didn’t care that they were no longer living under a Fascist leadership.

Can’t do that in the Middle East. Islam is an ideology of the masses. Everyone in the middle east is willing to fight to the death for Islam. In that respect it is a much more deadly ideology than fascism. Islam is more like Communism.

23 posted on 05/16/2007 10:56:23 AM PDT by monday
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To: gate2wire; Right Cal Gal; monday; wideawake; GOP_Party_Animal; humint; cubreporter; ...

"1st Lt. Andrew J. Bacevich of Walpole, Mass., on assignment in Iraq. Bacevich was killed Sunday, May 13, 2007, when an improvised device exploded while he was on a combat patrol in Salah Ad Din Province, Iraq."

24 posted on 05/16/2007 10:57:40 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

“It was an honest assertion that the Iraqi people wanted to be free and most Iraqis would fight for that freedom.”

Muslims don’t want freedom. They want to live in slavery under an Islamic theocracy. Just look at who they vote for whenever they get a chance to vote. Even the majority of Turkish Muslims want to live under an Islamic theocracy. Only their constitution, backed by the power of the military, has prevented an Islamic theocracy from coming to power.


25 posted on 05/16/2007 11:03:31 AM PDT by monday
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Thanks for posting this photo, even though it makes the story even more heartbreaking.

What a loss.

26 posted on 05/16/2007 11:04:02 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: KingKenrod

Great point. It is we who have changed. We have also used the UN as a third branch of government.


27 posted on 05/16/2007 11:04:52 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: chopperman

“Unfortunately, the son paid for the sins of his father.”

How so? What about the families who support the war who have lost sons and daughters? Who’s sins were their children “paying” for?


28 posted on 05/16/2007 11:06:29 AM PDT by monday
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To: wideawake
Thanks for posting this photo, even though it makes the story even more heartbreaking. What a loss.

You're welcome....

29 posted on 05/16/2007 11:06:40 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: monday

To be fair they justr had protests of hundreds of thousands of people against Islamist rule(rs).


30 posted on 05/16/2007 11:07:32 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: PghBaldy

Fourth branch.


31 posted on 05/16/2007 11:08:36 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: gate2wire; Dr. Scarpetta

Thanks for the ping. I just realized the last time I saw Colonel Bacevich he was the same age as 1LT Bacevich. We were in the Armor Officer Advanced Course (74-75) and he looked just like his son. It was obvious to everyone then that Captain Bacevich was an incredibly brilliant and principled officer. He definitely screwed up the grading curve for the rest of us.


32 posted on 05/16/2007 11:12:24 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is a tragedy, but it should be remembered that every American who has encouraged the enemy to keep fighting has contributed to the deaths of our soldiers.


33 posted on 05/16/2007 11:14:46 AM PDT by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: chopperman

You’re the lowest form of human life and I doubt you can feel the shame that should gripping your soul.


34 posted on 05/16/2007 11:16:05 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: 3niner

Because someone is against the conduct of this war they are encouraging the enemy to fight? I know stupid. And that’s stupid.


35 posted on 05/16/2007 11:21:15 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: 3niner

Because someone is against the conduct of this war they are encouraging the enemy to fight? I know stupid. And that’s stupid.


36 posted on 05/16/2007 11:21:22 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: PghBaldy
“To be fair they justr had protests of hundreds of thousands of people against Islamist rule(rs).”

True, but they still elected the Islamic party into power. They say the party is no longer Islamic of course so that it won’t be banned, but it is Islamic in everything but name. Only the secular Muslims want freedom and democracy in Turkey. The rest want Islamic sharia law. Secular Muslims are outnumbered. It is only the constitution and the military that is keeping freedom, such as it is, alive in Turkey.

37 posted on 05/16/2007 11:23:14 AM PDT by monday
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To: wideawake

Are you saying Colonel Bacevich is a traitor?


38 posted on 05/16/2007 11:24:36 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny; gate2wire

God rest his soul...


39 posted on 05/16/2007 11:28:02 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

What sin is Colonel Bacevich paying for?


40 posted on 05/16/2007 11:28:20 AM PDT by leadpenny
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